First strike lancer sarissaporoi
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First strike lancer sarissaporoi
I have only the idea a cavalry armed with long pikes i see this in the movie crusade and other cavalry used this weapons i think in a five turns unit
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Re: Long pike cavalry
Hmmmmm,something like that
Hp:18
Atk:4
Spd:5
Def:1/1
Act:1
Cost:3
Rng:2
Hp bonus:1.0
Bonuses:
150% vs light cavalry
300% vs medium cavalry
400% vs slow heavy cavalry
700% vs heavy cavalry
1000% vs elephant
Hp:18
Atk:4
Spd:5
Def:1/1
Act:1
Cost:3
Rng:2
Hp bonus:1.0
Bonuses:
150% vs light cavalry
300% vs medium cavalry
400% vs slow heavy cavalry
700% vs heavy cavalry
1000% vs elephant
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Re: Long pike cavalry
Yeah its goodMorningwarrior wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 4:36 am Hmmmmm,something like that
Hp:18
Atk:4
Spd:5
Def:1/1
Act:1
Cost:3
Rng:2
Hp bonus:1.0
Bonuses:
150% vs light cavalry
300% vs medium cavalry
400% vs slow heavy cavalry
700% vs heavy cavalry
1000% vs elephant
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Re: Long pike cavalry
Shouldn't cost 3 turns. Should be either 5 or 4..
stats can be like an elite hussar. Dunno.
stats can be like an elite hussar. Dunno.
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Re: Long pike cavalry
Elite hussar is more of normal damage, I think this guy wants the lancer version of that.QuadrupoleStrat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 5:45 am Shouldn't cost 3 turns. Should be either 5 or 4..
stats can be like an elite hussar. Dunno.
Yeah, I would like a 4 turn cause this simply changes the meta if it's a 3 turn.
Maybe remove the the melee armor then change the cost to 4. That should do it for a 4 turn one if it will want to be a standard version like how spearman and pikemen.
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Re: Long pike cavalry
the thesis of not having melee armor quite good, but, 4 shifts I think a lot, for a unit that causes such little damage, his only advantage of having 2 range, the other Stats are very weak.DreJaDe wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 6:58 amElite hussar is more of normal damage, I think this guy wants the lancer version of that.QuadrupoleStrat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 5:45 am Shouldn't cost 3 turns. Should be either 5 or 4..
stats can be like an elite hussar. Dunno.
Yeah, I would like a 4 turn cause this simply changes the meta if it's a 3 turn.
Maybe remove the the melee armor then change the cost to 4. That should do it for a 4 turn one if it will want to be a standard version like how spearman and pikemen.
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Re: Long pike cavalry
Hp changed to 16.
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Re: Long pike cavalry
It may have a miniscule damage but it could reach like a 6 speed unit. It's almost between a hussar and a light cav so I think a 4 turn is nice.Morningwarrior wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:30 pmthe thesis of not having melee armor quite good, but, 4 shifts I think a lot, for a unit that causes such little damage, his only advantage of having 2 range, the other Stats are very weak.DreJaDe wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 6:58 amElite hussar is more of normal damage, I think this guy wants the lancer version of that.QuadrupoleStrat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 5:45 am Shouldn't cost 3 turns. Should be either 5 or 4..
stats can be like an elite hussar. Dunno.
Yeah, I would like a 4 turn cause this simply changes the meta if it's a 3 turn.
Maybe remove the the melee armor then change the cost to 4. That should do it for a 4 turn one if it will want to be a standard version like how spearman and pikemen.
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Re: Long pike cavalry
they are rightDreJaDe wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 10:51 pmIt may have a miniscule damage but it could reach like a 6 speed unit. It's almost between a hussar and a light cav so I think a 4 turn is nice.Morningwarrior wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:30 pmthe thesis of not having melee armor quite good, but, 4 shifts I think a lot, for a unit that causes such little damage, his only advantage of having 2 range, the other Stats are very weak.DreJaDe wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 6:58 am
Elite hussar is more of normal damage, I think this guy wants the lancer version of that.
Yeah, I would like a 4 turn cause this simply changes the meta if it's a 3 turn.
Maybe remove the the melee armor then change the cost to 4. That should do it for a 4 turn one if it will want to be a standard version like how spearman and pikemen.
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Re: Long pike cavalry
this could fit as the sarissophoroi
a greek cav unit armed with a sarissa
a greek cav unit armed with a sarissa
Re: Long pike cavalry
Find me one historical example of really long weapons used by cavalry. Apart of winged hussars of course.
Pikes had 5 or 6 meters!
They were heavy.
They couldn't be used by cavalry.
Pike units 2 range represents this advantage of greater range - over double vs knights with lances.
Winged hussar units started to employ their unique lance only after long research by Kingdom of Poland. These lances were the peak of technology of that time and nobody else new how to make them. They were longer, than longest pikes!
Swiss, german mercenaries refused to go into battle if polish Husaria was on the field (there is numerous employment contracts found that precisely states, that they could leave battle in such occurrence without consequences).
Most logical conclusion is that they couldn't employ pike tactic properly, because they were outranged.
The 2 range on this unit represents this.
Pikes had 5 or 6 meters!
They were heavy.
They couldn't be used by cavalry.
Pike units 2 range represents this advantage of greater range - over double vs knights with lances.
Winged hussar units started to employ their unique lance only after long research by Kingdom of Poland. These lances were the peak of technology of that time and nobody else new how to make them. They were longer, than longest pikes!
Swiss, german mercenaries refused to go into battle if polish Husaria was on the field (there is numerous employment contracts found that precisely states, that they could leave battle in such occurrence without consequences).
Most logical conclusion is that they couldn't employ pike tactic properly, because they were outranged.
The 2 range on this unit represents this.
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Re: Long pike cavalry
So,this is a objection?Endru1241 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 9:51 pm Find me one historical example of really long weapons used by cavalry. Apart of winged hussars of course.
Pikes had 5 or 6 meters!
They were heavy.
They couldn't be used by cavalry.
Pike units 2 range represents this advantage of greater range - over double vs knights with lances.
Winged hussar units started to employ their unique lance only after long research by Kingdom of Poland. These lances were the peak of technology of that time and nobody else new how to make them. They were longer, than longest pikes!
Swiss, german mercenaries refused to go into battle if polish Husaria was on the field (there is numerous employment contracts found that precisely states, that they could leave battle in such occurrence without consequences).
Most logical conclusion is that they couldn't employ pike tactic properly, because they were outranged.
The 2 range on this unit represents this.
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Re: Long pike cavalry
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Re: Long pike cavalry
after a long research im descover this macedonia cavalry sarisophoroi have sarissa of the cavalry that have the same dimensions of the sarissa used by infantry this cavalry not used shieldEndru1241 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 9:51 pm Find me one historical example of really long weapons used by cavalry. Apart of winged hussars of course.
Pikes had 5 or 6 meters!
They were heavy.
They couldn't be used by cavalry.
Pike units 2 range represents this advantage of greater range - over double vs knights with lances.
Winged hussar units started to employ their unique lance only after long research by Kingdom of Poland. These lances were the peak of technology of that time and nobody else new how to make them. They were longer, than longest pikes!
Swiss, german mercenaries refused to go into battle if polish Husaria was on the field (there is numerous employment contracts found that precisely states, that they could leave battle in such occurrence without consequences).
Most logical conclusion is that they couldn't employ pike tactic properly, because they were outranged.
The 2 range on this unit represents this.
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Re: Long pike cavalry
In book Warhorse: Cavalry in Ancient Warfare, author Phil Sidnell concludes basing it on solid research, that cavalry sarissa couldn't have more than 12 feet (4 meters) and even then because of the handling, range would be 8-9 feet at most. While it could be seen as impressive in Alexander times - it's nowhere near discussed pike, having over 5m of reach.Phantomstriker wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 12:11 am after a long research im descover this macedonia cavalry sarisophoroi have sarissa of the cavalry that have the same dimensions of the sarissa used by infantry this cavalry not used shield
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Re: Long pike cavalry
interesing you win the discussionEndru1241 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 6:05 amIn book Warhorse: Cavalry in Ancient Warfare, author Phil Sidnell concludes basing it on solid research, that cavalry sarissa couldn't have more than 12 feet (4 meters) and even then because of the handling, range would be 8-9 feet at most. While it could be seen as impressive in Alexander times - it's nowhere near discussed pike, having over 5m of reach.Phantomstriker wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 12:11 am after a long research im descover this macedonia cavalry sarisophoroi have sarissa of the cavalry that have the same dimensions of the sarissa used by infantry this cavalry not used shield
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Re: Long pike cavalry
Woah a lot of research. Wanna give a hand i our space crew.🪐☄.Endru1241 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 6:05 amIn book Warhorse: Cavalry in Ancient Warfare, author Phil Sidnell concludes basing it on solid research, that cavalry sarissa couldn't have more than 12 feet (4 meters) and even then because of the handling, range would be 8-9 feet at most. While it could be seen as impressive in Alexander times - it's nowhere near discussed pike, having over 5m of reach.Phantomstriker wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 12:11 am after a long research im descover this macedonia cavalry sarisophoroi have sarissa of the cavalry that have the same dimensions of the sarissa used by infantry this cavalry not used shield
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Re: Long pike cavalry
And a first strike lancer sarissaporoi post renamed
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