Welsh Bowman (Saethwr) IMPLEMENTED
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Welsh Bowman (Saethwr) IMPLEMENTED
The traditional view that the longbow was invented in Wales before being perfected by the English seems to be incorrect (possibly began by a bit of artistic license exercised by Shakespeare), although Welsh bowmen did frequently make up large portions of English archers, in particular during the 100 years war, but using English built longbows.
Before this, however, archery was prevalent in Wales, but using a shorter bow normally made of elm rather than the standard yew of longbows. No physical evidence survives, but contempory accounts, notably Gerald of Wales, record that although they had a shorter range, these bows packed a hell of a punch. They were often used in Ambush tactics where range was not so much of an issue.
Saethwr (archer in Welsh)
Cost 3
Hp 15
Attack 7
Range 5
Armour 0/0
Standard archer bonus +50% Vs Light and Medium Foot Melee and Flying
But also +40% Vs Heavy Foot Melee and Heavy Cavalry
(Stats edited to fit with Endru's recommendations)
Affected by warpaint and blacksmith upgrades
"In the war against the Welsh, one of the men of arms was struck by an arrow shot at him by a Welshman. It went right through his thigh, high up, where it was protected inside and outside the leg by his iron chausses, and then through the skirt of his leather tunic; next it penetrated that part of the saddle which is called the alva or seat; and finally it lodged in his horse, driving so deep that it killed the animal" (Gerald of Wales)
This unit would also be affected by Ambush ability should it be accepted.
Before this, however, archery was prevalent in Wales, but using a shorter bow normally made of elm rather than the standard yew of longbows. No physical evidence survives, but contempory accounts, notably Gerald of Wales, record that although they had a shorter range, these bows packed a hell of a punch. They were often used in Ambush tactics where range was not so much of an issue.
Saethwr (archer in Welsh)
Cost 3
Hp 15
Attack 7
Range 5
Armour 0/0
Standard archer bonus +50% Vs Light and Medium Foot Melee and Flying
But also +40% Vs Heavy Foot Melee and Heavy Cavalry
(Stats edited to fit with Endru's recommendations)
Affected by warpaint and blacksmith upgrades
"In the war against the Welsh, one of the men of arms was struck by an arrow shot at him by a Welshman. It went right through his thigh, high up, where it was protected inside and outside the leg by his iron chausses, and then through the skirt of his leather tunic; next it penetrated that part of the saddle which is called the alva or seat; and finally it lodged in his horse, driving so deep that it killed the animal" (Gerald of Wales)
This unit would also be affected by Ambush ability should it be accepted.
Last edited by phoenixffyrnig on Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:26 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: New Celtic unit - Welsh Bowman (Saethwr)
It would be affected by both warpaint and archery, so power should be lowered to 7.
There is also no reason for bonus vs medium cavalry, unless global correction was made for all anti-heavy.
Also to keep consistency +40% bonus could be used.
There is also no reason for bonus vs medium cavalry, unless global correction was made for all anti-heavy.
Also to keep consistency +40% bonus could be used.
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Re: New Celtic unit - Welsh Bowman (Saethwr)
Ah OK, for some reason I just assumed warpaint only affected melee... Possibly cos that's all we have atm. But yeah, all good, I was just going for highest damage I could possibly get away with given its shorter range
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Re: New Celtic unit - Welsh Bowman (Saethwr)
I like it.
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Can I try making the img?
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Re: New Celtic unit - Welsh Bowman (Saethwr)
Changed a couple things.
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Re: New Celtic unit - Welsh Bowman (Saethwr)
Nice, thanks guys, good images. I like Quaddy's wild man of the woods look - could you lighten it up a little bit?
Yours looks very pro Patroid, are you a veteran in these parts?
Yours looks very pro Patroid, are you a veteran in these parts?
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I recolored it a little to make it brighter.
Do you think it's not too far from original idea?
Do you think it's not too far from original idea?
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Re: New Celtic unit - Welsh Bowman (Saethwr)
I think mine was too dark but I only copied it from the reference. so Imo not so much. Maybe dyeing his hair red or light brown? The hair matches his clothing.
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I wanted to make him ginger. So I'd rather increase red value. Tomorrow.
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Re: New Celtic unit - Welsh Bowman (Saethwr)
Ok.
Cheapest anti-heavy archer seems to be ready.
Cheapest anti-heavy archer seems to be ready.
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Re: New Celtic unit - Welsh Bowman (Saethwr)
Nice
Im not quite sure what you changed? Seems the same
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Image has now hair color much more shifted towards red.
Even on poor color screens it shoudn't be mistaken with attire.
Even on poor color screens it shoudn't be mistaken with attire.
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Re: New Celtic unit - Welsh Bowman (Saethwr)
Hi,
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Re: New Celtic unit - Welsh Bowman (Saethwr)
Looks better.
Endru since we have many attempts of saethwr could we use those ones as skins?
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Endru since we have many attempts of saethwr could we use those ones as skins?
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Patroid (idk what to call it)
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Re: New Celtic unit - Welsh Bowman (Saethwr)
You really like celtic culture quadru
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Re: New Celtic unit - Welsh Bowman (Saethwr)
Not much, I just like how they fight back then in the ancient times. Plus the celts lack units. There are only gallowglass, highlander, gaelic fighter and celtic warrior.
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