New Unit: Axeman including Axe Upgrade.

[TheOrder971]

Axeman (Including Upgrade units)

A medieval axeman was a formidable warrior of the Middle Ages, armed with a deadly battle axe. These skilled fighters, often clad in armor, wielded their axes with both strength and precision on the battlefield. Their weapons were versatile, capable of cleaving through armor and striking down adversaries with a single powerful blow. Medieval axemen played a crucial role in medieval warfare, contributing to the tactics and strategies of their time with their imposing presence and lethal weaponry.

Effective as a Swordsman unit, Heavy Cavalry, and Archers.

Axeman

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Heavy Axeman - Upgrades From Axeman

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Warrior - Upgrades From Heavy Axeman

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Stats

Axeman
Cost: 2
Hp:20
Attack Power: 10
Armor: 1
Pierce Armor: 1
Speed: 3
Sight: 4

Heavy Axeman
Cost: 2
Hp:23
Attack Power: 13
Armor: 1
Pierce Armor: 1
Speed: 3
Sight: 4

Warrior
Cost: 2
Hp:27
Attack Power: 17
Armor: 2
Pierce Armor: 1
Speed: 3
Sight: 4

All Axeman Units have Damage Bonuses

+75% Bonus Damage against - Irregular Infantry, Light Infantry and Archers
+100% Bonus Damage against - Mounted, Structures, Machines, Siege Machines, and Ship
+800% Bonus Damage Against - Mega Buildings.
+240% Bonus Damage Against - Fortification and Armored Siege Machines

Please soon make it Accepted and Implemented.

[godOfKings]

Ok it doesnt make sense y it costs same as swordsman but better than swordsman in every stat, something has to b nerfed

[godOfKings]

Also ur axe image shade is opposite, it should b darker around the wooden handle and lighter around edge of blade

[DreJaDe]

Okay, currently... This is just better swordsman.

Not gonna lie. I always wanted to suggest the axeman but I'm not sure how to make them relevant. Not sure cause I do have one idea.

Which is to make them better against shielded units.

So basically bonus against them.

So maybe

Attack power: 8/10/12

Bonus:
Shield bearer: 40%

As a nerf, they will have no bonus against irregular infantry.

And as an added bonus. Lol.

Bonus:
Workers: 100%

I don't get the bonus against mounted and light infantry.

[Sombrar +1]

It could be a cheap basic infantry alternative for a more offensive tactic, as we already have the squire as a cheap basic infantry for defense and the swordsman as a balanced one going more for the offensive, the ax infantry should be stronger in exchange for more resistance such as:

Cost 2
Hp 16->18->21
Attack 10->12->15
Armor and Armor Piercing 1/0->1/0->1/1
Speed 3
Vision 4

I also think that instead of having bonuses against irregular infantry like the swordsman, he should have bonuses against medium infantry, which I think is more suitable against enemies that they normally were more effective as it seems more suitable than giving bonuses against heavy infantry.

[v094517]

New Consolidated Proposal of Stats

Cost 2
Hp 16,18, 21
Attack 10,12,15 or 16
Armors 1/0, 2/0, 2/0
Speed 3
Sight 4
+25% Bonus Damage against - [Mounted], [Medium Armored], [Shield Bearer]
+40% Bonus Damage against - [Big Shield Bearer], [Builder]
+50% Bonus Damage against - [Structures], [Machines], [Siege Machines], [Ship]
+350% Bonus Damage Against - [Mega Buildings]
+100% Bonus Damage Against - [Fortification], [Armored Siege Machines]

Notes:
Since [Horse] have No Counter Bonus vs Bonus spec, the small bonus damage against [Mounted] is more important than it seems.
In fact, Axemen can have Halved Counter Damage spec as an additional nerf.
With these stats, an almost fully buffed Axeman can just one-hit-kill an unbuffed Swordsman of the same tier and do the same more easily to Shielders.

[TheOrder971]

Also ur axe image shade is opposite, it should b darker around the wooden handle and lighter around edge of blade

There you go. Axeman, Heavy Axeman, and Axeman Warrior are now remodeled.

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[b2198]

It could be a cheap basic infantry alternative for a more offensive tactic, as we already have the squire as a cheap basic infantry for defense and the swordsman as a balanced one going more for the offensive, the ax infantry should be stronger in exchange for more resistance such as:

Cost 2
Hp 16->18->21
Attack 10->12->15
Armor and Armor Piercing 1/0->1/0->1/1
Speed 3
Vision 4

I also think that instead of having bonuses against irregular infantry like the swordsman, he should have bonuses against medium infantry, which I think is more suitable against enemies that they normally were more effective as it seems more suitable than giving bonuses against heavy infantry.

I like this idea too, though I'd give it 13 attack instead of 12 in its second upgrade, to be higher than the second upgrade of the swordsman line.

Also, were they effective against [Medium Infantry] or just [Medium Armored] in general? If we went with the second option, it would make them also be effective against shielders (oh, and btw, while "squire" is also a valid translation for "escudeiro", the unit is actually called "shielder" in the game), since they are [Heavy Infantry][Medium Armored], and would also make them effective against a lot of other units that aren't [Medium Infantry], like pavaise crossbowmen, horse crossbowmen, zerks, highlanders, most anti-mounted infantry, most light and medium cavalry, and some others. Maybe with a +40% bonus against these (so a total of 14/16/21 damage, or 19/22/26 with blacksmith techs + high morale + fervor, or 23/26/30 if you add battlefield blacksmith to that) it would become a reasonable bonus that's useful against a big amount of units. Maybe we could reduce its bonuses against buildings to compensate for having a bonus like that?

[Sombrar +1]

With some research I did it seems that it would be better to give bonuses against medium armor units, as normally infantry with axes would face and be used against heavier enemies.equipped and armored with some descriptions saying that these infantry, although they used axes as they were a cheaper alternative, were normally effective in combating enemies with more armor due to the force of the impact of the ax, with it normally destroying the opponents' shields in combat as a tactic, but when there was greater implementation of heavy armor, the axes were already becoming less effective, favoring the creation of weapons such as halberds to overcome this problem by using the weapon's strength point to damage the enemy's armor more efficiently.

Now considering that he will have a reasonably higher attack than the swordsman although he has less resistance than the swordsman, a reduction in the ax infantry's bonuses against buildings would be good way to compensate for this being:
-> +40% bonus against Medium Armored, Shield Bearers;

-> +25% bonus against Machines;

-> +100% bonus against Structures,Siege engines, Ships;

-> +600% bonus against Mega Structures;

-> +150% bonus against Fortifications,Armed siege engines;

[Sombrar +1]

Thinking about it better, perhaps it would be more appropriate that instead of a bonus against [Medium Armor], it would be better against [Medium Infantry], which fits better into the game, especially since normally halberd units has bonuses against [Heavy Infantry] and not for [Heavy Armor] itself, also normally attack bonuses are more related to the type of unit facing so bonuses against [Medium Infantry].

[godOfKings]

Since this itself is strong against swordsman line i dont want it to completely replace swordsman line also axe users r considered cheaper and less equiped than swords users so they will b less effective Against buildings

My bonus suggestion:
25% medium infantry, shield bearers
40% machine, big shield bearers
80% structures, ships, siege machine
150% fortified structure, armored siege machine
600% mega structure

Its weaker than swordsman line in everything but its strong against swordsman line

So it will b kinda like skirmisher<swordsman<axeman<archer and then loop around to skirmisher again

Wat if axeman isnt shield bearer?

[godOfKings]

Tried to make it more different looking than swordsman

[Sombrar +1]

The more polished version looks really nice, maybe just remove the other blade on the other side of the ax in the third level of warrior axeman.

[DreJaDe]

Uhmmm? Pants?

[godOfKings]

U r free to make changes, i say he doesnt need pants XD

[godOfKings]

Also should they have any bonus against heavy infantry?

[godOfKings]

The more polished version looks really nice, maybe just remove the other blade on the other side of the ax in the third level of warrior axeman.

Unfortunately his upgrade tech literally shows a double sided battle axe, although it looks ugly and congested we have to deal with it

[DreJaDe]

Also should they have any bonus against heavy infantry?

Im honestly more interested on heavy vs heavy than medium dealing with them... At that, even light infantry cause I remembered Spartan army getting destroyed by light infantries.

[godOfKings]

Which light infantry is good against heavy? All i can think of is celt, mace and flail, btw pilum ability also has bonus against heavy i think, i didnt try the rajput though

Anyways one freshly baked and hot pants as per ur request lol

[v094517]

I support bonus against medium armored instead of medium infantry, as this can extend to bonus against most light and medium cavalry as well as shielders.

[godOfKings]

They already have high base dmg and light and medium cavalry have low armor, also their weapon is shorter and not enough reach compared to halberd

[v094517]

What about additional bonus against [Medium Armored][Heavy Infantry], or [Medium Armored][Foot]?
This will make them effective against shielders in addition to swordsmen.

[DreJaDe]

Which is why I suggested bonus against [shield bearer]. To not be that complex.

Though honestly... The damage might already be quite high.

Where is it going to be trained anyway?

Hmmm, yeah. Noticed that theres actually a [big shield bearer] lol.

I was actually thinking more of it as a counter to shield bearers but not that much direct counter. Cause I dont like too direct counters where 1 is so completely counter to the other.

[godOfKings]

My stat suggestion
Upgrade techs cost: 6 turns
Builder: tc, barracks

Axeman

Cost: 2
Hp: 16
Atk: 10
Armor: 1/0

Heavy Axeman
Hp: 19
Atk: 13
Armor: 2/0

Warrior
Hp: 22
Atk: 15
Armor: 2/1

Bonus:

]My bonus suggestion:
25% medium infantry, shield bearers
40% machine, big shield bearers
80% structures, ships, siege machine
150% fortified structure, armored siege machine
600% mega structure

[godOfKings]

Oh yes big shield bearers should prob get more bonus dmg right? So i added big shield bearers with 40% bonus that way most heavy infantry who r big shield bearers also get high bonus dmg

[godOfKings]

Ok my final question, will it b considered irregular infantry? Light infantry? Or medium infantry? It will b shield bearer and medium armored tho

[TheOrder971]

Which light infantry is good against heavy? All i can think of is celt, mace and flail, btw pilum ability also has bonus against heavy i think, i didnt try the rajput though

Anyways one freshly baked and hot pants as per ur request lol

So these units are so fabulous.
I Like the Eclipse shield that is unbelievable. Another remodeled with pants.

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For now, ACCEPT the Unit.

[TheOrder971]

My stat suggestion
Upgrade techs cost: 6 turns
Builder: tc, barracks

Axeman

Cost: 2
Hp: 16
Atk: 10
Armor: 1/0

Heavy Axeman
Hp: 19
Atk: 13
Armor: 2/0

Warrior
Hp: 22
Atk: 15
Armor: 2/1

Bonus:

]My bonus suggestion:
25% medium infantry, shield bearers
40% machine, big shield bearers
80% structures, ships, siege machine
150% fortified structure, armored siege machine
600% mega structure

OK, I Accept that for these stats. what about this? add 10% effective against mounted, Archers and Skirmishers.

10% mounted, archers, skirmishers
25% Irregular infantry, Light infantry, medium infantry, shield bearers
40% machine, big shield bearers
80% structures, ships, siege machine
150% fortified structure, armored siege machine
600% mega structure

[TheOrder971]

Hello Guys I want to be accepted for this unit. then I wish to be implemented

[godOfKings]

Screaming with bold letters wont help implementing it, there is only one person in charge @Endru1241 he will read the stats and determine if its balanced or not b4 deciding to implement it