Unit - heavy catapult - IMPLEMENTED

[Stratego (dev)]

i think we need an upgrade for the catapult, it got a little insignificant as i feel.
i suggest giving an upgrade version of it
- 6 turns (as usual on other unit upgrades)
- gives +1 range
- gives +1 speed (?)
- +20% power
- approx double HP (or + 50%)
- and default area damage, that can be incremented by the heated shot.

[DoomCarrot]

hmm, sounds cool. Those stats seem pretty balanced for an upgrade.

although HEAVY catapult is kinda a cheesy name I feel like, especially if it is going to have 2 move. Maybe a mangonel? It's basically just a large, very powerful version of a catapult.

[COOLguy]

Bring de HEAT!

Just call it a ballistics upgrade. We can save names like mangonel and onager for new units.

[Stratego (dev)]

yes, and no, maybe i was not so clear :
1. i planned a tech: upgrade to heavy catapult (or mangonel) - this is an analogue of the "heavy knight upgrade" tech.
2. i planned a new unit type: heavy catapult (or mangonel) - this is an analogue of the "heavy knight" unit
the "heavy catapult" unit is able to build in a game if you have "ballistics" and "upgrade to heavy catapult" invented in that game, AND existing catapults of the player in the game are turning to heavy catapults.

[DoomCarrot]

Ohhh, I am a complete idiot, I was thinking a new unit, not an upgrade tech. For an upgrade tech heavy catapult would make sense, since it is just an upgraded version. I like the idea

Still think monganel would make a cool new unit though

[COOLguy]

I like.

[ollie444]

What about Armored Catapult?

[ejm29]

I also like the idea of a catapult upgrade. The stats also seem pretty solid to me elite catapult? reinforced catapult? Epic catapult of epicness?!?

[Alexander82]

Improved catapult? Catapult Mark II xD

[Stratego (dev)]

anyone mind to try making the catapult image?

there can be 2 approaches:
- staying on top view: starting from the current catapult modifying it a little.
- (would be best) 3D appearance: having 3D feeling catapults for both normal and "heavy" versions.
(3d links i found
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/far ... 0528083902
http://www.pixeljoint.com/files/icons/c ... xumanu.gif
http://help.strongholdkingdoms.com/imag ... tapult.png
)

[Alexander82]

i might try to realize the third one, i'll make you know if i reach a good point

[Alexander82]

What you think about this one?

[Alexander82]

Taller one

[Alexander82]

For the heavy one i was thinking about just a recoloring into a metallic material and a more bulky catapult arm

[COOLguy]

These are cool!

[Stratego (dev)]

indeed!

suggestions:
- can we try the arm being in 45degree from ground? (like it is strained/pulled back, being right before launch)
- and i suggest a bigger request: can you make a sketch with a little more higher view angle? like an ISOmetric would be. (this is now almost front view, or maybe it is now a 10degree from being frontal, and i suggest trying it in approx 30degree)

Like this ones i like them very much i mean the angle (also the images is cool too, but i am showing here the angle): http://www.geocities.ws/jeffdgreat/AoKsiege.html
from those this is the "catapult" in age of kings: http://www.geocities.ws/jeffdgreat/onager.gif

I would also suggest reworking these images i just linked in, i think they are cool and maybe reworking is easier, and they are cool.

[Alexander82]

Having a width limit of 32 pixel i had to change the angle a bit, this is a first scheme of the unit, tell me if you like it

[patroid]

More like this!!

(I now its a really really bad sketch...)

[COOLguy]

Yes I think more of the angle that patroid said.

[patroid]

On your image it wozld look like this,
But try to make the hole unit 3d, perspective
Not ortographic!!

Patroid

[Alexander82]

Ok, i understand, it's just that it becomes pretty little for a siege unit, just imho

[Alexander82]

This is another sketch

[Stratego (dev)]

aoe onager resized, and contoured - i just wanted to check if it looks good or not by resizing and contouring.
(this can also be worked to look good)

onager.png (1.75 KiB) Viewed 11314 times

also on terrain

onager_terrain.png (40.45 KiB) Viewed 11314 times

maybe a little too tiny...

[COOLguy]

Cool. I could not open your link up there. We could make it a little more different so it is not a complete rip.

[Stratego (dev)]

sure

[Stratego (dev)]

i suggest making it a bit thicker / fatter (the wood parts)
this will make it look more robust / big that is needed when any other unit is standing next to it - will not look like a "toy" next to the unit.

[Alexander82]

i've tried, in my previous sketch, to strech up the onager, but i don't know if it'll be tall enough, that's why i've choosen the front view in my previous sprite

[Stratego (dev)]

The "perspective tool" is awesome in Gimp!
it can rotate the image in 3D so we can easily change the angle.

here is a next sample, trying to make bigger catapult using the perspective tool on the previous image. (with only quick outlining)

[COOLguy]

LOVE the perspective tool! But you really made it work well - mine never turns out that good.

[patroid]

Hi
I dont really like it sorry.

But maybe this??

Patroid