Monster skeletons — IMPLEMENTED

[makazuwr32]

These skeletons were firstly raised as result of fails but were found quite useful and thus they began to be mass producted by liches and necromancers.

All these units are not affected by armored and golden skeleton upgrades.

I am providing 2 variants of stats for @Alexander82 so he will choose which will fit better.

Also all these must be trainable in that monster factory building for undeads.

Giant skeleton shielder, can be raised from swordman corpse:

Cost - 3 turns
Hp - 30
Attack - 10
Armor - 2/9
Speed - 3 (1 in water)
Sight - 4
Spell resist - 20%
Standart bonus to buildings

Skeleton impailer, can be raised from pike corpse:

Cost - 3 turns
Hp - 22
Attack - 10
Actions/turn - 1
Range - 2 (1 large bone pike)
Armor - 0/2
No dodges
Speed - 3
Sight - 5
Spell resist - 20%
450% bonus against cavalry

Better archer, can be raised from archer corpse:

Skeleton elf archer
Cost - 3 turns
Hp - 11
Attack - 7, perfect accuracy
Range - 6
Armor - 0/2
Speed - 4
Sight - 9
Spell resist - 0%
100% bonus against flying

Skeleton centaur, can be raised from mounted corpse:
Skirmisher:

Cost - 5 turns
Hp - 25
Attack - 8
Range - 5
Actions/turn - 2
Armor - 0/6
Speed - 4
Sight - 8
Spell resist - 50%
50% bonus against archers

Skeleton 2 headed dragon, can be raised from dragon corpse:

Cost - 9 turns
Hp - 80
Attack - 18
Actions/turn - 2
Armor - 1/1
Speed - 5
Sight - 7
Spell resist - 30%
1% bonus against flying (full damage on counter against melee flying)
Abilities:
Poison breath
Fire breath

[Dagravian]

Thats interesting, but i'm curious about how they would work... So would be nice if you could clear a few things...

1- You are suggesting them as produceable units on factories? Or spawnable on those reanimating spells from liches, necromancers or other undead risers? Or both ways?
1.1- If produceable (as you put a relative cost), where would they be produced?
1.2- Is there any pre-request for them to be produced?

2- If spawnable, what would be spawn chance for them?
2.1- Would these overlap the current units of normal reanimating methods?
2.2- Would them be added as advanced/upgraded reanimating spell or something?
2.3- would be required a new specific corpse formations/layouts to spawn them? (As 2 swordmans and 1 pikeman or 1 archer, 1 swordman, 1 pikeman...)

3- To allow these, would be required a tech/research?
3.1 If so, what would be requirements for it and where would it be researched?
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[makazuwr32]

Thats interesting, but i'm curious about how they would work... So would be nice if you could clear a few things...

1- You are suggesting them as produceable units on factories? Or spawnable on those reanimating spells from liches, necromancers or other undead risers? Or both ways?
1.1- If produceable (as you put a relative cost), where would they be produced?
1.2- Is there any pre-request for them to be produced?

2- If spawnable, what would be spawn chance for them?
2.1- Would these overlap the current units of normal reanimating methods?
2.2- Would them be added as advanced/upgraded reanimating spell or something?
2.3- would be required a new specific corpse formations/layouts to spawn them? (As 2 swordmans and 1 pikeman or 1 archer, 1 swordman, 1 pikeman...)

3- To allow these, would be required a tech/research?
3.1 If so, what would be requirements for it and where would it be researched?
...

1. Both.
1.1. Butchery for monster units of undeads.
1.2. For production i think animation mastery as well as for raising them from the dead.

2. 30% chance to raise from the dead after researching current animation mastery. Here is more info about that.
2.1. No. They would expand.
2.2. Yes. It will be part of improvement of empowering of raise dead spell.
2.3. No. Trainable and raise dead spell.

3. & 3.1. Current animation mastery. Alas i think it must be researchable after empowered necromancy 1-2.

There are also planned mage type monster skeleton and i think that existing skeleton monster needs stat revamp.

But for those i have no ideas.
Alas alex said that he had some ideas for monster skeleton mage unit.

[Dagravian]

I see, that's looking really interesting, i would mention what would be made with the existing monster aswell, it is so underpowered nowdays... A boost on him would be very nice!

About the monster mage... Coincidently. I just made a post suggesting new stat parameters for units/effects on AOF, that will totally expand the horizon of all magic units on this game and ofc, bringing many new spells and effects to the game... So i think you can easily find a role for not only the monster mage but probably many other magic units in the game after that...

In general, i liked this expansion on skeleton monsters, and those details cleared a lot here. So i vote this up

[makazuwr32]

That is up to alex but personally i don't want to expand current magic system.

[General Brave]

Interesting ideas, I would back a few of these.

[Alexander82]

Those stats seems good.

I will give you my preferences and we might go on eith that.

Also we might consider adding the fusion tech in the pack (so we might fuse 2 skeletons to obtains the related monster)

For the swordsman corpse I prefer the 3 turns variant

For the pikeman corpse I'd g for the big pike one, but both are nice

For the archer I like the 2nd variant

For the centaur I'm between the first and the second but I'd go more with the latter since range 3 might be a bit too low at higher levels.

Maybe raising actions to 2 and raising cost accordingly

[makazuwr32]

Updated first post, removed extra variants, updated stats of skirmisher skeleton centaur.
I like idea of fusion tech.

[Lynx Shafir]

This is very similar to the "ancient beast" concept I planned to cursed mine using the scattered monster ideas that lay around in forum. I think I mentioned under Bone mammoth..

[Lynx Shafir]

Not sure what design you want but I put together this quickly..

[StormSaint373]

Here...

[Alexander82]

As I wrote on discord I thought that @makazuwr32 wanted monsters with unique looks.

If he just want the basic monster equipped differently, i guess we can implement all of them in 5 minutes

[makazuwr32]

Not sure what design you want but I put together this quickly..

This one it great.

[Savra]

How many of these are done.

[Dagravian]

Currently there is a list on Discord of how many units, @makazuwr32 should update the main post with them here...

About imgs, i made some concepts on Discord, i can post here if you want to get some idea about what to do.

[Savra]

Sure.

[Dagravian]

Right, here some attempts that i made, Alex will post here what exactly they should be looking alike. And what else that still own no reference img.

Worker


Swordman


Archer (bow should be made on its arm, perhaps another head)


Mounted swordman (centaur alike)


Mounted mace/flailman (Monster horror)


Mounted archer (ballista Horror)


Monster dragon (it should be hidra alike or smt)


Also i made 3 variations for pirate, tho none seens to be fitting:

This is a monster of abyssal deepths.


This is a crawling fishman.


This is a siren, tho it wasn't meant to be a monster.

[Savra]

Hmm, I'll try some based on what is left and might get something for are sea fiend too.

[Savra]

How's this for monster fish skeleton?

[Alexander82]

I'd like the lower part of the fish skeleton to be actually more fish like (so not normal legs)

[Alexander82]

You might use that kind of approach for the lower part, so it looks like a fish who can also slowly walk on land with hand-like fins

[Alexander82]

Right, here some attempts that i made, Alex will post here what exactly they should be looking alike. And what else that still own no reference img.

Worker

That is mostly fine

Swordman

In that case I don't like much the blades shape. I think that you can give it arms while the blades will be in place of forearms

Archer (bow should be made on its arm, perhaps another head)

Maybe crossbow arm could be more visible, also I'd like it 4 legged (so it looks more monster-like)

Mounted swordman (centaur alike)

maybe that one could have a single big armblade (the unit could have trample I suppose)

Mounted mace/flailman (Monster horror)

For maceman I'd like it a unit that is like a small ankylosaurus centaur. While the body should be smaller than a dinosaur, the mace on its tail should be bigger than the one of the dinosaur. The upper body could use some monstruous details as well (surprise me)

Mounted archer (ballista Horror)

I like that approach already, maybe just make the image overall clearer

Monster dragon (it should be hidra alike or smt)

That could be fine, maybe just remove wings and maybe try to make it look more like a hydra (four legged and maybe even more heads and long necks)

Also i made 3 variations for pirate, tho none seens to be fitting:

This is a monster of abyssal deepths.


This is a crawling fishman.


This is a siren, tho it wasn't meant to be a monster.

Here I wanted to use the upper head of the monster giving it claws with a lower fish-like part


About other units:

for thrower I wanted to make a skirmisher that throws bone javellins (he should also have monstruous features, so that it stand out compared to normal skeletons)

For spearman corpse we could have a halberdier-like unit (again a biiiig arm made out of a spine and a halberdlike tip for it. If you have other ideas you can try

For mounted spearman we might have a centaur-like unit with 2 spear arms similar to these

but with spears in place of drills
they can still be made out of 2 spines

one ou our centaur-like unit could be 2-legged (I remember there was something like a horse chicken somewhere xD )

[Jerfoxman]

For the swordsman maybe like an mantis arm but with swords

[Alexander82]

For the swordsman maybe like an mantis arm but with swords

that would be cool as well

[SirLuciano]

DoomsdayDragon you should also add a giant non floating skull called Laugh/Giggles which also buffs fellow undead around him...but he moves slow

His buff spell should be called

Maniacal Laugh

[makazuwr32]

DoomsdayDragon you should also add a giant non floating skull called Laugh/Giggles which also buffs fellow undead around him...but he moves slow

His buff spell should be called

Maniacal Laugh

Undead Joker?
We need for new moon elves Batman than.

[SirLuciano]

[SirLuciano]

On a serious note what I meant is a Giant Skull (normal skull) that laughs

[Jerfoxman]

Skills:tell joke at fellow undead

[Badnorth]

a Skeleton jester?

We already have it The Just kidding skeleton
I only see it in map editor though or I dont have the unit.