Praetorian Legionarre IMPLEMENTED
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Praetorian Legionarre IMPLEMENTED
Roman for "bird of prey"
These soldiers were the finest of the roman army, they serve as the bodyguard of the roman generals
Cost: 6
Hp: 36
Att: 12
Armor: 5/7
Speed: 3
Vision: 4
Action/Turn: 1
Spell Resistance: 100%
Spells:
Throw Pilum: dmg 10, range 3, cooldown 1
Affected by legion training, affected by legion command
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These soldiers were the finest of the roman army, they serve as the bodyguard of the roman generals
Cost: 6
Hp: 36
Att: 12
Armor: 5/7
Speed: 3
Vision: 4
Action/Turn: 1
Spell Resistance: 100%
Spells:
Throw Pilum: dmg 10, range 3, cooldown 1
Affected by legion training, affected by legion command
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Re: Praetorian Legionarre
Too good stats for 6 turn unit.
Spartan hoplite i think must have highest hp among pre-medieval infantries.
So lower hp to 28.
Spartan hoplite i think must have highest hp among pre-medieval infantries.
So lower hp to 28.
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Re: Praetorian Legionarre
Spartan is a spearmen, this would be the swordsman variant. Of course, a little better due to legion command...
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Re: Praetorian Legionarre
But spartans were better equipped and trained than these ones.
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Re: Praetorian Legionarre
Actually they were trained the same, just in different tactics.
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Re: Praetorian Legionarre
But these ones still had worse armor than spartans so less hp.
Why he should have higher hp than spartan unit with lower cost?
He would make spartan hoplite useless.
Why he should have higher hp than spartan unit with lower cost?
He would make spartan hoplite useless.
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Re: Praetorian Legionarre
Very niceeee
it can have an ability too .
this ability name is P.ARMOR HIT
With this ability praetorian can easily hit units that have armor but dont have P . ARMOR this type of atck dont have prblem with hevy armored units . It will hit units from their p armor. this abilty symbol will be a gladius sword
it can have an ability too .
this ability name is P.ARMOR HIT
With this ability praetorian can easily hit units that have armor but dont have P . ARMOR this type of atck dont have prblem with hevy armored units . It will hit units from their p armor. this abilty symbol will be a gladius sword
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Re: Praetorian Legionarre
P armor is for countering arrow damage, I guess throw pilum ability can effect p.armor, but Spartans have 8 p.armor and 2 damage is useless
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Re: Praetorian Legionarre
Unlike the Spartans, the praetorian guard were not trained from birth so they should be inferior to the Spartans. I suggest these stats.
Cost: 6
Hp: 20-26?
Attack: 12
Armor: 4/4
Speed: 3
Vision: 4
Action/Turn: 2
Spell Resistance: 100%
Also what does the ability do exactly?
Cost: 6
Hp: 20-26?
Attack: 12
Armor: 4/4
Speed: 3
Vision: 4
Action/Turn: 2
Spell Resistance: 100%
Also what does the ability do exactly?
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Re: Praetorian Legionarre
Why....
Why 2 actions?!!!
Why 2 actions?!!!
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Re: Praetorian Legionarre
If it's going to be an elite unit... It needs to have appropriate stats...
Otherwise, the stats you've suggested say: make it an upgrade.
Throw Pilum: an ability similar to the spear throw of Maori... But should have cool down, high dmg and remove all p. Armor for a number of turns
(Pilum were tipped with lead, when striking an object the lead bends, making the Shields useless in combat and preventing enemies from thowing the Pilum back. At the end of the battle, Pilum can be retrieved and bent back to the correct shape.)
Otherwise, the stats you've suggested say: make it an upgrade.
Throw Pilum: an ability similar to the spear throw of Maori... But should have cool down, high dmg and remove all p. Armor for a number of turns
(Pilum were tipped with lead, when striking an object the lead bends, making the Shields useless in combat and preventing enemies from thowing the Pilum back. At the end of the battle, Pilum can be retrieved and bent back to the correct shape.)
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Re: Praetorian Legionarre
i have tested a mass roman army and it was the most beautiful play style i ever played, a fully armored legionary can easily cross 7 armor and 8 p armor wen buffed by centurion and legion training of other legionaries, they usually get 1 damage from every archer unit, except for the dreaded ballista
support them with dromedarii from behind and a HEAVY KNIGHT will deal 1 DAMAGE on him only anti infantry units like maceman and celts, spartans etc. will have any chance against such buffed legionaries
only drawback costs a lot to actually buff legionaries, getting dromedarii is based on luck, and ballistas/catapults slaughter any mass group of soldiers,
although good news is ballista usually miss 3 speed units so deal 8 damage in most case which changes to 1 for fully upgraded legionary but h.ballista really depends on luck whether it will direct hit or not
support them with dromedarii from behind and a HEAVY KNIGHT will deal 1 DAMAGE on him only anti infantry units like maceman and celts, spartans etc. will have any chance against such buffed legionaries
only drawback costs a lot to actually buff legionaries, getting dromedarii is based on luck, and ballistas/catapults slaughter any mass group of soldiers,
although good news is ballista usually miss 3 speed units so deal 8 damage in most case which changes to 1 for fully upgraded legionary but h.ballista really depends on luck whether it will direct hit or not
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Re: Praetorian Legionarre
Pretoreans may not have have been trained from birth like spartens but still were elite units and actually had better armour due to their big shields (- bigger than a hoplon) and better body armour (- lorica segmentata - high quality stuff); the pilum could be used as a spear (rarely) and a gladius or spartha was a darn good wepon.
I actually think a pretorian could be as strong as a sparten but that woud make the unit useless so stats shoud be those of a weaker 6 cost sparten + roman effects.
(I havent checked anything listed above; if im wrong pls tell me)
I actually think a pretorian could be as strong as a sparten but that woud make the unit useless so stats shoud be those of a weaker 6 cost sparten + roman effects.
(I havent checked anything listed above; if im wrong pls tell me)
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Re: Praetorian Legionarre
How does an upgrade sound?
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Re: Praetorian Legionarre
I personally don't think an upgrade is appropriate considering Spartan and his lack of one. I put the second action in because a second attack makes any unit very useful for defense. And because the Praetorian legionnaires were primarily bodyguards I think it's fitting.
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Re: Praetorian Legionarre
No to 2 actions. If you put them 2 actions than samurai (who is even more agile) must have 3-4 actions while basic swordman who is trained and equipped in similar way as romans 2 actions as well.
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Re: Praetorian Legionarre
But Spartans heal to full HP even from 1 HP left just by putting them inside a town, an upgraded legionary will never b able to kill the Spartan hiding inside towns,
Also legions don't have bonus against infantry but Spartans do so they can ezly kill even upgraded legion with nothing but counter atk, while they themselves heal to full HP every turn if put in town or tower
Legion is mainly shielder with better mobility, but Spartans r the best anti infantry, especially with heal support
And considering there will soon b a 4 turn jinete with same spear throw ability, I don't really see the need of making another 6 turn anti-arrow shielder for a 3 range spear throw ability, plus if u consider them body guards of commanders, they would usually stay in the core of the army, and I don't know how effectively they would b able to throw a spear wen most of the soldiers near them r on their side
I dont mind an upgrade to the existing legionary considering even 4 turn voulgier got an upgrade
Also legions don't have bonus against infantry but Spartans do so they can ezly kill even upgraded legion with nothing but counter atk, while they themselves heal to full HP every turn if put in town or tower
Legion is mainly shielder with better mobility, but Spartans r the best anti infantry, especially with heal support
And considering there will soon b a 4 turn jinete with same spear throw ability, I don't really see the need of making another 6 turn anti-arrow shielder for a 3 range spear throw ability, plus if u consider them body guards of commanders, they would usually stay in the core of the army, and I don't know how effectively they would b able to throw a spear wen most of the soldiers near them r on their side
I dont mind an upgrade to the existing legionary considering even 4 turn voulgier got an upgrade
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Re: Praetorian Legionarre
Agree with gok but no additional actions.
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Re: Praetorian Legionarre
Okay considering the Samuri I and how mobile they were I don't think a second action will work. But if we have an upgrade I don't think it makes sense because this unit is already going to be 6 turns.
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Re: Praetorian Legionarre
I meant get rid of pilum,
upgrade tech cost 6 turns,
legionary still cost 4 turns,
base stats will increase
HP 28
Atk 12
Armor 2/3 (if u want to increase armor then go research legion training and make centurion)
Other stats remain unchanged after upgrade, this is my version of stat suggestion
If it is elite infantry might also get 50% bonus against other infantry similar to hatamoto
upgrade tech cost 6 turns,
legionary still cost 4 turns,
base stats will increase
HP 28
Atk 12
Armor 2/3 (if u want to increase armor then go research legion training and make centurion)
Other stats remain unchanged after upgrade, this is my version of stat suggestion
If it is elite infantry might also get 50% bonus against other infantry similar to hatamoto
Last edited by godOfKings on Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:08 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Praetorian Legionarre
If the vote is going to be for an upgrade, then it NEEDS to have corresponding stats...
Cost: 4
Hp: 25 increase to 32
Att: 10 increase to 14
Armor: 2/3 increase to 4/6
Speed: 3
Vision: 4
Action/Turn: 1
Spell Resistance: 0%
Cost: 4
Hp: 25 increase to 32
Att: 10 increase to 14
Armor: 2/3 increase to 4/6
Speed: 3
Vision: 4
Action/Turn: 1
Spell Resistance: 0%
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Re: Praetorian Legionarre
Needs more armor, unaffected by blacksmith upgrades,
Stratego already said that legion training should be fixed.
Besides, you can get same out of Defender for less
2 cost defender, +4 cost banner
4 cost Legionarre, + 6 cost centurian
Stat difference
Defender has more armor (+1/+3)
Defender has less attack (-1)
Stratego already said that legion training should be fixed.
Besides, you can get same out of Defender for less
2 cost defender, +4 cost banner
4 cost Legionarre, + 6 cost centurian
Stat difference
Defender has more armor (+1/+3)
Defender has less attack (-1)
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Re: Praetorian Legionarre
Next to centurion legion has 12 dmg, as I said if u want armor increase place more legions together,a legion in front of 2 towns filled with legions and wagons and battering rams could get over +10/+10 armor, so far I checked the fix and it seems new effect stacking bug for loading every time is removed while other multiple stack mechanism r still there
For offensive it could go like this, 1 wagon has 3 b.rams, filled with legions, wen attacking send one legion forward, put 3 b.rams on adjacent sides and he get a stack of +5/+5 armor, coupled with a centurion from behind (their aura have 4 range so can stay some safe distance away) and basic legionary stands in front of enemy town/tower with 9/10 armor
For offensive it could go like this, 1 wagon has 3 b.rams, filled with legions, wen attacking send one legion forward, put 3 b.rams on adjacent sides and he get a stack of +5/+5 armor, coupled with a centurion from behind (their aura have 4 range so can stay some safe distance away) and basic legionary stands in front of enemy town/tower with 9/10 armor
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Re: Praetorian Legionarre
Following this logic, an upgraded legionary with over 30 hp, only 4 turns cost, can b made in tc,barracks and roman garrison, do u really believe it is impossible to make enough legionary to stack a total of over 10 armor in-game?
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Re: Praetorian Legionarre
Tbh, +2 attack and +2 hp isn't good enough to warrant an upgrade... May as well make a unit that is cheaper and gets more.
But I see your point for armor, but give it +1/+2 at least,
Legionarre isn't affected by the blacksmith.
But I see your point for armor, but give it +1/+2 at least,
Legionarre isn't affected by the blacksmith.
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Re: Praetorian Legionarre
HP 29 (hatamoto also gets only +4 HP increase from samurai)
Atk 14
Armor 3/4
I won't accept anything more than this
Atk 14
Armor 3/4
I won't accept anything more than this
There is no place for false kings here, only those who proves themselves to b the true kings of legend, or serves under me
For I watch over this world looking for those worthy to become kings, and on the way get rid of the fakes and rule over the fools
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Re: Praetorian Legionarre
I think he havs more armor an p armor because his big shield
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Re: Praetorian Legionarre
pls stop making realistic assumptions only and start thinking whether in game units can actually kill it or not, with my suggested stats maceman wont b able to one hit kill it, and heavy knight will need 3 hits to kill one upgraded legionary if there is any aura effect on it
y should a crossbow archer that a person spends 6 turns to research, deal only 1 damage to it?
y should a crossbow archer that a person spends 6 turns to research, deal only 1 damage to it?
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