Island turtle

[Savra]

Mermen can throw tridents, the eventually. Plus it helps to get units like mermen and eels and sirens over land and into a waterway that would be otherwise blocked. It's useful.

[makazuwr32]

1. Turtle is very slow. It will be faster to build new sacred spring than to move units via turtle through land.
2. Through tight spots there already exist way of transporting units: towers, elven craftsman, tcs.
3. And why in the first place you will choose merman with trident throwing over quick archer with higher range and 2 actions and aimed shot techs?

[Savra]

The other waters could be full of enemies. So sacred spring would be destroyed easily.
Elven craftsmen can't transport units.
We don't have elven wagon. Yet...
It would be no different then transporting with an ent.
It's not that big of a difference compared to a normal infantry, no problems their.
They aren't giants.
They both are buildable in sacred spring, and their is no reason for you to have all your mermen, sirens, and eels over on one side and having land blocking your way between your next destination which has quiet a lot of enemies in it.

[makazuwr32]

Elven craftsman can't transport units yes but naval units can go through it to other water scources.
Same as through towers, some buildings, tcs and wagons.

[Savra]

Island turtle.

[Savra]

Oh yes, mermen can't pass through structures on land tiles, I tested it.

[makazuwr32]

They can.
Not through all structures but through some of them they can.

Also turtle is a bit too small. Visually. Can you make is bigger?

[Midonik]

Maybe two tiles high?

[Savra]

You mean this big?

[Midonik]

How would he look if you would make him from one corner to opposite one?

[Savra]

What do you mean? It's already at its limits were width is concerned.

[godOfKings]

May b replace mountain with a grassy hill and a giant tree whose leaves reach up to the 64px height

[Savra]

Like this, I felt obligated to do this since I said I would...

[Puss_in_Boots]

Yes, I love it.

[StormSaint373]

This good?

[Pyro]

Its been a while since I saw this post but its nice to see that it has developed exactly as a I hoped Editing the original post to reflect the discussion in the thread

[Savra]

Island turtle:


Cost - 8 turns, trainable at tc (doesn't require to be near water!), sacred spring.
Hp - 70, can't burn.
Attack - 14 (is not affected by nature upgrade)
Range - 1
Armor - 5/5
Speed - 2 (3 in water), can't move through forest tiles.
Carry capacity - 2 (can carry only same units ent warrior can)
Sight - 6
Spell resist - 50%
Bonuses: 50% bonus to ships and other sea units.
Abilities:
Shell on/off - transform ability: turtle gains +6/+6 armor (up to 11/11), 10 hp/turn regeneration and 100% spell resist at cost of 0 attack and 0 speed.

Additional info: all units inside instantly die if turtle dies. Regardless of place where turtle dies.
Can't enter into any transports: ships, wagons, zeppelins....

In very early game this unit will be a replacement of ent warriors

Ok, never mind. For some reason I thought it could carry 4 units and had no restrictions on that.

Anyway, maybe up it carry capacity to 4, it is an island turtle after all, so you can't say it isn't big enough. (Or you could add that it's effected by tree top archery)

It should also be effected by the nature upgrades because that's it's only upgrades anyway, we could just lower the attack if people think that would make it too strong.

Aside from all this, is this unit exceptable @Alexander82?

I am kinda questioning how this would be a replacement for ent warriors in early game though but if capacity is allowed to extend to 4 then it might be interesting.

[Alexander82]

I'm not sure about that unit at the moment. It might seem more like something we might consider for scalefolks but I'll think about it (in the meantime I've already got plenty of stuff I should add for elves).