area damage of ballista IMPLEMENTED
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area damage of ballista IMPLEMENTED
I think because of double atk, ballista can deal more area damage than catapults, even from 2 tile distance of atked tile, they still kill long bowmen, I think area damage should b reduced, or may b instead of 2 tile radius, they should b 1 tile radius ( and again there wasn't any announcement that ballista could double shot in game....I really feel changes in stats should b announced)
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Re: area damage of ballista
Numbers on that?
The ballista has not been changed for a long, long time. And I think it could always double shot?
The ballista has not been changed for a long, long time. And I think it could always double shot?
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Re: area damage of ballista
To unprotected units Both deal similar damage.
But to protected units (with melee armor) they both deal less damage. and ballista deals even less because armor counts twice.
Also catapults do better against buildings and have higher range.
But price for ballistas i think is a bit too low do deal similar to catapult's damage.
Increase it to 5-6 turns at least.
But to protected units (with melee armor) they both deal less damage. and ballista deals even less because armor counts twice.
Also catapults do better against buildings and have higher range.
But price for ballistas i think is a bit too low do deal similar to catapult's damage.
Increase it to 5-6 turns at least.
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Re: area damage of ballista
we can consider making the ballista a little weaker (eg. smaller area damage, or smaller the damage on areas)
and making a new level of upgrading it to advanced ballidsta.
and making a new level of upgrading it to advanced ballidsta.
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Re: area damage of ballista
I do think a slight nerf of ballistae is in order. However I am appreciating that they have finally become useful
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Re: area damage of ballista
I m pretty sure area damage of ballista is at least 20 while it is about 10 or so for catapult from 1 tile, and from 2 tile area damage of ballista is more than 14 (since long bowman dies) while area damage of catapult is 3 (tested on worker )
And one more thing ballista actually deals pierce damage (skirmisher survives area damage) which I didn't know before and it is actually pretty cool
And one more thing ballista actually deals pierce damage (skirmisher survives area damage) which I didn't know before and it is actually pretty cool
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Re: area damage of ballista
And this is for double shots, not single shots
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Re: area damage of ballista
Those skirmisher shields are stronger than they look.
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Re: area damage of ballista
I guess its good for Ur play style right
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Re: area damage of ballista
We can
1. increase their building cost from 4 turns to 5.
2. decrease their base damage on 1-2 points but if we want some upgrades for ballistas.
3. decrease their power range by 1.
4. all together.
Also catapult's (and even heavy one's) damage in its power range i must admit is lower than ballista's.
1. increase their building cost from 4 turns to 5.
2. decrease their base damage on 1-2 points but if we want some upgrades for ballistas.
3. decrease their power range by 1.
4. all together.
Also catapult's (and even heavy one's) damage in its power range i must admit is lower than ballista's.
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Re: area damage of ballista
On the other hand, a 4 turn unit that is so slow, so weak and so little range, is not a bad thing if it can kill a LOT of units in just one turn....
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Re: area damage of ballista
Right now its only useful when defending inside towers or wen used with a wagon, which would increase total cost to 8 turns
And I think most horses don't have a bonus against them for some reason, is it by accident or to balance?
And I think most horses don't have a bonus against them for some reason, is it by accident or to balance?
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Re: area damage of ballista
May b keep everything as it is but give bonus to horses so that even light cavalry can destroy it in one turn, does it both kills and gets killed, but it can kill more if used right....
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Re: area damage of ballista
Please don't do so many mini posts if you can help it Makes it hard to followgodOfKings wrote:May b keep everything as it is but give bonus to horses so that even light cavalry can destroy it in one turn, does it both kills and gets killed, but it can kill more if used right....
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Re: area damage of ballista
Donmt forget that catapults don’t deal pierce damage. So they can destroy ships, buildings, skirmishers, wagons, other siege weapons, etc with ease
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Re: area damage of ballista
But other siege weapons could kill it faster due to range (exept rams)
And ships also have higher range for attack (if they have one) to counter ballista
And ships also have higher range for attack (if they have one) to counter ballista
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Re: area damage of ballista
I simply gave an alternative, that instead of nerfing ballista simply make cavalry more effective at destroying themCOOLguy wrote:Please don't do so many mini posts if you can help it Makes it hard to followgodOfKings wrote:May b keep everything as it is but give bonus to horses so that even light cavalry can destroy it in one turn, does it both kills and gets killed, but it can kill more if used right....
Cause I actually like the way that it is so easy to kill so many enemies in just one turn. At the very least light cavalry should have 120% bonus against ballista so that they can deal 11 damage instead of 5
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Re: area damage of ballista
how about make a 4 turn costing tech that needs to b researched to unlock the area damage of ballista ? the tech could b called 'heavy spear' and researched in siege workshop,
especially in a small map it becomes too easy to kill all the workers, so something to curb their insane area damage early on is desperately needed,
another alternative idea is ballista will also need 'area damage' tech to use area damage but in this case i dont think area damage should require ballistics tech to unlock because after all it only allows siege to use area damage and right now there are many counters to catapults, so both area damage and ballistics can b researched on the same time, but without ballistics area damage only allows ballista to use it
especially in a small map it becomes too easy to kill all the workers, so something to curb their insane area damage early on is desperately needed,
another alternative idea is ballista will also need 'area damage' tech to use area damage but in this case i dont think area damage should require ballistics tech to unlock because after all it only allows siege to use area damage and right now there are many counters to catapults, so both area damage and ballistics can b researched on the same time, but without ballistics area damage only allows ballista to use it
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Re: area damage of ballista
although i liked it before, but now i see people literally spam only ballista and nothing else, and it is hard to kill it with anything, even with a knight it survives with 2 hp, and can b repaired to full health by a worker next turn, at the very least knights should b able to destroy them in one hit
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Re: area damage of ballista
It takes 12 turns,I guess to complete 6 turn ballistic,and 6 turn fire damage,and ballistic have everything with them.But a different tech for catapult and ballista would become difficult thing
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Re: area damage of ballista
Ballista is currently 2x 12/10/8. Catapult is 100%/50%(/25%) of 33 or 39.
I would be for nerfing ballista to 2x 12/6/3 (same 100%/50%/25% of full damage). Or at least to 2x 12/8/4 or so.
I would be for nerfing ballista to 2x 12/6/3 (same 100%/50%/25% of full damage). Or at least to 2x 12/8/4 or so.
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Re: area damage of ballista
ok, lets wait Coolguy's suggestion
Re: area damage of ballista
I think a small nerf would be fine or make it require ballistics (would make sense)
I remember when we added its power because people thought they were under-powered I'm glad they are being used now
I remember when we added its power because people thought they were under-powered I'm glad they are being used now
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Re: area damage of ballista
i suggest the nerfing, in aoe it have not required any tech, and it is cool to have a pre-catapult weapon.
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Re: area damage of ballista
It was used a heavy missile like crossbow.It was siege weapon
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Re: area damage of ballista
How about 12/8/4? That way most two turn units would still die, but from 2 power range, only labourer can b killed in first turn while worker survives with 2 hp
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Re: area damage of ballista
If area damage is same as catapult it would again become obsolete as having higher area damage is the only advantage it has over catapults for which it may b even useful in late game
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Re: area damage of ballista
Yes.I see players,having ambidextria and 3 builders,they make ballista's in seconds
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Re: area damage of ballista
It is cheaper than the catapult.godOfKings wrote:If area damage is same as catapult it would again become obsolete as having higher area damage is the only advantage it has over catapults for which it may b even useful in late game
True.Ayush Tiwari wrote:Yes.I see players,having ambidextria and 3 builders,they make ballista's in seconds
Daniel and I ended up taking a bit off the ballista's area damage - not much because it was actually to high anyway
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Re: area damage of ballista
yeah ballista's really should not have area damage anyway because the only shoot once. I think that they should have a less miss chance.
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