France as new nation - plan

[Stratego (dev)]

hi!

France is well developed already so it could be a new separate nation.
but some techs/units would be still needed for "western bloc" so they can compete other nations (including french)

here are the first known units (by Vinz) western bloc should still be able to build/train/produce:
- FREEM
- Horizon Class
- Sepecat Jaguar
- Mirage 2000
- Rafale
- A400 M
- Pluton missile (needed only till Pershing missile gets implemented)
- one of the submarines (Rubis class / Redoutable class / Triomphant class)
- aircraft carry: Clemanceu (basedon suggestion on next post)

tell us if you know any other needs to be still used by western bloc after making France as new nation.

[Huttensohn]

So the question is, how will France now compare to Western Bloc. If Western Block keeps all the good stuff from France but has things on top, it will of course be strictly better than Nato.

I think, western block needs at least one nuclear/ballistic sub and one or two other ones

The redoutable is much easier to get than the triomphant. So giving western bloc redoubtable would mean it gets all of Frances goodies here. Getting trio triomphant means it probably needs another good sub or other areas where it is good.

Note that rafale and dassault 2000 are very unique powerful aircraft. I see the danger that the new Western Block is more powerful than France having all its goodies plus more on top. The rafale is also only flown by France in real life.

The question is - does western block need aircraft carriers? You could use colossus, independence, de Gaulle or clemenceau.

Independence is just a much better version of colossus and clemenceau is more relevant in a bigger amount of games because you get it earlier and it still packs quite a punch.

Western Bloc also needs -
A mortar unit
An advanced anti air infantry unit
And probably two advanced anti tank infantry units.

France still needs a peace keeper unit if it wants to be independent. They also Lack a two turn Truck on their own that can be trained from large village . And the Peugeot car needs to be unlocked for large village. Of course, the uk starter jeep is also not trainable from large village, but having neither would be against the basic game logic I think. I also personally think the two turn truck from large village is auch a basic Element of the game that every nation should have it. Town slots are valuable and competetive and I think no one likes to spend them on a truck.

Of course, the current French three turn truck truck is better than all the 2 Turners and Shouldn't be available for two turns at large village. But this is why the need an Alternative, imo, once they are independent

[Stratego (dev)]

awesome -thanks! @Vinz91 @Harchie Hirondo tell me which of these you agree sop i can put in lists.

thanks!

[Stratego (dev)]

i list here the missing dedicated french units
- engineer (now uses UNIT_NATO_INF_ENGINEERS)
- has no any buildings (uses NATO ones now)
- patrol boat (now uses UNIT_UK_BOAT_PATROL_ARCHER)
- peacekeepers (was in DEFAULT_PRODCUTION - i have not placed peacekeeper for now)
- mg nest (now uses NATO in TASK_TC_BUILD_DEFENSE)

here is post all internal settings for AI (so you can check ifi chose some wrong french unit accidentally)

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    {"productionRole":"BASIC_TASK_BUILD_FACTORY", "trnRace":"RACE_FR", "trnTerrain":"TERRAIN_WATER", "buildPriors" : [{"weight":10, "unitList":{"unitTypes":["UNIT_NATO_BLD_SHIPYARD"]}}]},
    {"productionRole":"BASIC_TASK_BUILD_FACTORY", "trnRace":"RACE_FR", "trnTerrain":"TERRAIN_CLEARGROUND",
        "buildPriors" : [
            {"weight":30, "unitList":{"unitTypes":["UNIT_NATO_BLD_BARRACKS"]}},
            {"weight":50, "unitList":{"unitTypes":["UNIT_NATO_BLD_TANK_FACTORY", "UNIT_NATO_BLD_AIRPORT"]}},
            {"weight":10, "unitList":{"unitTypes":["UNIT_BLD_RESEARCH_LAB"]}},
            {"weight":5, "unitList":{"unitTypes":["UNIT_BLD_MERCENARY_CAMP", "UNIT_BLD_NUCLEAR_POWERPLANT", "UNIT_BLD_SUPPLY_BASE"]}},
            {"weight":5, "unitList":{"unitTypes":["UNIT_BLD_AIRSTRIP"]}}
            ]
    },

{"productionRole":"GET_BUILDER", "trnRace":"RACE_FR",     "buildPriors" : [{"weight":20, "unitList":{"unitTypes":["UNIT_NATO_INF_ENGINEERS"]}},{"weight":10, "unitList":{"unitTypes":["UNIT_FR_INF_INFANTRY"]}}]},

    
    {"productionRole":"TASK_EXPLORING", "trnRace":"RACE_FR",     "buildPriors" : [{"weight":20, "unitList":{"unitTypes":["UNIT_FR_VEHICLE_JEEP"]}}, {"weight":10, "unitList":{"unitTypes":["UNIT_FR_PLANE_SNCASE_MISTRAL"]}}, {"weight":5, "unitList":{"unitTypes":["UNIT_ALL_CAN_SCOUT_DOGS", "UNIT_BLD_COMMUNICATIONS_STATION"]}}]},

{"productionRole":"TASK_DO_WATER_CARRY", "trnRace":"RACE_FR",     "buildPriors" : [{"weight":20, "unitList":{"unitTypes":["UNIT_FR_CRAFT_LANDING_CTM"]}}, {"weight":15, "unitList":{"unitTypes":["UNIT_FR_COPTER_GAZELLE"]}}]},

    {"productionRole":"TASK_MEND_UNIT", "trnRace":"RACE_FR",     "buildPriors" : [{"weight":20, "unitList":{"unitTypes":["UNIT_NATO_INF_ENGINEERS"]}},{"weight":10, "unitList":{"unitTypes":["UNIT_FR_INF_INFANTRY"]}}]},


    {"productionRole":"TASK_TC_OCCUPY_ENEMY", "trnRace":"RACE_FR",     "buildPriors" : [
    {"weight":30, "unitList":{"unitTypes":["UNIT_FRN_INF_GIGN"]}},
    {"weight":70, "unitList":{"unitTypes":["UNIT_FR_INF_LMG","UNIT_FR_INF_INFANTRY"]}}
  ]},

    {"productionRole":"TASK_SPELL_ON_ENEMY_UNIT_OR_CONVERT", "trnRace":"RACE_FR",     "buildPriors" : [{"weight":20, "unitList":{"unitTypes":["UNIT_FRN_INF_GIGN", "UNIT_FR_PLANE_EUROCOPTER_TIGER_FLYING"]}},{"weight":10, "unitList":{"unitTypes":["UNIT_FRN_PLANE_DASSAULT_MIRAGE_IV"]}}]},

    {"productionRole":"TASK_HEAL_UNIT", "trnRace":"RACE_FR",     "buildPriors" : [{"weight":20, "unitList":{"unitTypes":["UNIT_FR_INF_MEDIC"]}},{"weight":10, "unitList":{"unitTypes":["UNIT_FR_INF_INFANTRY"]}}]},

    {"productionRole":"FIELD_ATTACKER_CHEAP", "trnRace":"RACE_FR",     "buildPriors" : [{"weight":10, "unitList":{"unitTypes":["UNIT_USA_TANK_M41_WALKER_BULLDOG", "UNIT_FRN_VEHICLE_VAB", "UNIT_GER_VEHICLE_ATF_DINGO"]}}, {"weight":20, "unitList":{"unitTypes":["UNIT_FRN_TANK_AMX_13", "UNIT_FRN_ARTILLERY_TRF1"]}}, {"weight":5, "unitList":{"unitTypes":["UNIT_ALL_INF_MERCENARIES"]}}]},

    {"productionRole":"TASK_ATTACK_ENEMY_BUILDING", "trnRace":"RACE_FR", "trnTerrain":"TERRAIN_CLEARGROUND",
        "buildPriors" : [
            {"weight":10, "unitList":{"unitTypes":["UNIT_FR_INF_ROCKET_LAUNCHER", "UNIT_FRN_ARTILLERY_SPG_AMX_30_AUF1"]}},
            {"weight":60, "unitList":{"unitTypes":["UNIT_FR_TANK_RENAULT_R35"]}},
            {"weight":30, "unitList":{"unitTypes":["UNIT_FRN_ARTILLERY_TRF1"]}}
            ]},

    {"productionRole":"FASTEST_UNIT_THAT_CAN_OCCUPY", "trnRace":"RACE_FR", "buildPriors" : [{"weight":20, "unitList":{"unitTypes":["UNIT_FR_INF_LMG"]}}, {"weight":10, "unitList":{"unitTypes":["UNIT_FR_INF_INFANTRY"]}}]},

    {"productionRole":"DEFAULT_PRODUCTION", "trnRace":"RACE_FR",
        "buildPriors" : [
            {"weight":40, "unitList":{"unitTypes":["TECH_DEFCON_LVL_IV", "TECH_DEFCON_LVL_III", "TECH_DEFCON_LVL_II", "TECH_DEFCON_LVL_I"]}},
            {"weight":10, "unitList":{"unitTypes":["UNIT_NATO_INF_ENGINEERS", "UNIT_FR_INF_INFANTRY"]}},
            {"weight":20, "unitList":{"unitTypes":["UNIT_FRN_VEHICLE_PEUGEOT_P4", "UNIT_FRN_VEHICLE_VAB"]}},
            {"weight":20, "unitList":{"unitTypes":["UNIT_FRN_TANK_AMX_30"]}},
            {"weight":20, "unitList":{"unitTypes":["UNIT_FRN_ARTILLERY_SPG_AMX_30_AUF1"]}},
            {"weight":15, "unitList":{"unitTypes":["UNIT_FRN_PLANE_DASSAULT_MIRAGE_III"]}},
            {"weight":5, "unitList":{"unitTypes":["UNIT_FRN_PLANE_DASSAULT_RAFALE", "UNIT_FRN_PLANE_DASSAULT_MIRAGE_IV"]}}
            ]
    },    

    {"productionRole":"TASK_TC_BUILD_DEFENSE", "trnRace":"RACE_FR",     "buildPriors" : [{"weight":18, "unitList":{"unitTypes":["UNIT_NATO_BLD_MG_NEST", "UNIT_GER_BLD_WALL"]}}, {"weight":5, "unitList":{"unitTypes":["UNIT_BLD_ANTIPERSONNEL_MINES", "UNIT_BLD_WATCHTOWER", "UNIT_TERRAIN_TRENCH"]}}, {"weight":2, "unitList":{"unitTypes":["UNIT_MLT_INF_INFANTRY"]}}]},

these i see used by default AI settings in NATO lines (so they need to remain in NATO possession OR need replace to something else)
- UNIT_FRN_PLANE_DASSAULT_MIRAGE_III (TASK_EXPLORING)
- UNIT_FRN_PLANE_DASSAULT_MIRAGE_IV (TASK_SPELL_ON_ENEMY_UNIT_OR_CONVERT)
- UNIT_FRN_INF_GIGN (TASK_OCCUPY_ENEMY)
- UNIT_FR_INF_MEDIC (TASK_HEAL_UNIT)
- "UNIT_FRN_TANK_AMX_13", "UNIT_FRN_ARTILLERY_TRF1" (TASK_CHEAP attacker)
- UNIT_FRN_ARTILLERY_SPG_AMX_30_AUF1, UNIT_FRN_ARTILLERY_TRF1 (TASK_ATTACK ENEMy building)
- "UNIT_FRN_VEHICLE_PEUGEOT_P4", "UNIT_FRN_VEHICLE_VAB", "UNIT_FRN_TANK_AMX_30", "UNIT_FRN_ARTILLERY_SPG_AMX_30_AUF1", "UNIT_FRN_PLANE_DASSAULT_MIRAGE_III", "UNIT_FRN_PLANE_DASSAULT_RAFALE", "UNIT_FRN_PLANE_DASSAULT_MIRAGE_IV" (default production)

here on all please suggest what to set for NATO

[Marine25]

hi!

France is well developed already so it could be a new separate nation.
but some techs/units would be still needed for "western bloc" so they can compete other nations (including french)

here are the first known units (by Vinz) western bloc should still be able to build/train/produce:
- FREEM
- Horizon Class
- Sepecat Jaguar
- Mirage 2000
- Rafale
- A400 M
- Pluton missile (needed only till Pershing missile gets implemented)
- one of the submarines (Rubis class / Redoutable class / Triomphant class)
- aircraft carry: Clemanceu (basedon suggestion on next post)

tell us if you know any other needs to be still used by western bloc after making France as new nation.

If we gonna separate France to Western Bloc, please dont forget that French Riflemen should also be available in Western Bloc