Big ballista DISCUSSING

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Big ballista DISCUSSING

Post by Constantin » Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:17 pm

Big ballista
Cost 7-8
Hp 35
Attack 20(area damage)
Range 6
Armor 0
P. armor 4
Move 1
Spell resist 50%
It has bonuses against giants and flying goals

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Re: Big ballista

Post by Alexander82 » Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:43 pm

I tought we didn't have a ballista in game
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Re: Big ballista

Post by Midonik » Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:46 pm

Yes,I think if we want to make it,we should add normal frist.
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Re: Big ballista

Post by Constantin » Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:21 pm

Why not make the ballista in AOF?

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Post by Midonik » Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:28 pm

To dont make humans too strong,I think. Just look at my "Some units from AoS" topic.
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Re: Big ballista DISCUSSING

Post by DoomsdayDragonfire » Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:11 pm

Actually, would be a good thing nowdays, also the giant balista from Da'Vinci would be a cool thing to have aswell.
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Post by General Brave » Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:13 pm

Definitely be helpful for the humans.
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Re: Big ballista DISCUSSING

Post by Sunrise Samurai » Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:56 pm

Humans? Why not up the ante.

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Really Big Ballista
Cost 20 (10 turns for a worker)
Size 2x2
Hp 50
Power 40
Range 7
Armor 0/4
Speed 1
Capacity 4 (units can't shoot inside though. Just hide)
Spell resistance 50%
200% Bonus against giants and dragons

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Re: Big ballista DISCUSSING

Post by General Brave » Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:28 pm

What.
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Re: Big ballista DISCUSSING

Post by makazuwr32 » Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:57 pm

Nono. I don't like your idea, sunrise:
1. Way too hard to navigate and move this thing.
2. Dwarves already will have one movable 2x2 big thing.
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Post by LordOfAles » Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:58 pm

Which is Sky Conqueror.
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Re: Big ballista DISCUSSING

Post by makazuwr32 » Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:01 pm

Yep.
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Re: Big ballista DISCUSSING

Post by Lynx Shafir » Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:06 pm

I don't think the "big" in name means 2x2 size :lol:
Capacity??

But first a normal ballista for HUMANS!!

May 1 action and can't shot next tile.

And NO such destructive machine to dwarf(Only)
Don't stole everything from humans what is tech related pls.
Humans need it more
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Re: Big ballista DISCUSSING

Post by makazuwr32 » Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:08 pm

Medievalish mechanicals let stay for humans.

Dwarves are more steampunk and gunpowder in terms of tech.
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Post by General Brave » Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:14 pm

Ballistic for humans.
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Re: Big ballista DISCUSSING

Post by Tankhead » Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:50 pm

General Brave wrote:
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Ballistic for humans.
Agreed
And the main races to use machinary are
Human
Dwarves
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Post by General Brave » Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:57 pm

We can agree.
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Post by DoomsdayDragonfire » Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:36 am

For the humans, What i have for The giant ballista, is that it could be something that shoots once every 3 or 4 turns (due to its size, it is slow to reload... no cqc attack, up to 9 or 10 range, really slow speed, like just 1 speed, and that shoot can basically rip off to shreds anything slow or big enough like ships, giants and dragons.
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Post by General Brave » Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:38 am

Wow that's huge.
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Re: Big ballista DISCUSSING

Post by Tankhead » Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:00 am

Can we cut the cooldown to 1 - 2 cause as I see it
3 - 4 cool down needs to have high to extreme damage considering after words its useless and most likely get destroyed especially in multiplayer battles plus not many people are not gonna be willing to train with that huge Cooldown ( to risky ).
1 - 2 cool down with moderate damage seems more balanced. Wouldn't be to hard to protect until cool down over, and most people could probably get 2 - 3 shots off before its destroyed.
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Post by makazuwr32 » Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:16 am

Actually i like this idea.
And even cooldown 4 seems fine for range 10 if unit will have for its attack some power range and decent damage (40+) with guaranteed kill of first target if it is non-mechanical (it can't target mechanical units).
Cooldown can be made as attack ability with cooldown.

It will be hard to destroy this because it will be far from enemy.
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Re: Big ballista DISCUSSING

Post by Tankhead » Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:43 am

makazuwr32 wrote:
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Actually i like this idea.
And even cooldown 4 seems fine for range 10 if unit will have for its attack some power range and decent damage (40+) with guaranteed kill of first target if it is non-mechanical (it can't target mechanical units).
Cooldown can be made as attack ability with cooldown.

It will be hard to destroy this because it will be far from enemy.
So high damage high Atk, and even with that range I feel like it would still be easy, for me and other experience players
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Re: Big ballista DISCUSSING

Post by makazuwr32 » Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:12 am

Depends on. I see this as wagon unit which you deploy, shoot and retreat until cooldown will be finished.

With guaranteed kill of intended target and serious damage to other enemies in power range it will be really powerful. Maybe even more raise cost (to 12-14 turns) because it will annigilate big groups of small weak units.
Also its damage must not be able to dodge.
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Post by Lynx Shafir » Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:34 am

What changes will be at normal ballista firstly ?

May remove trample,or switch a range and target tipe, eg area dmg for infantry and single dmg for giant and dragon with significant bonus?
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Post by makazuwr32 » Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:24 am

I prefer to see normal ballistas as they are in AoS firstly in aof. No changes at all.

To see how they would work here. After we can change stats.
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Re: Big ballista DISCUSSING

Post by Sunrise Samurai » Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:44 pm

Lynx Shafir wrote:
Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:06 pm
I don't think the "big" in name means 2x2 size :lol:
Capacity??
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For the humans, What i have for The giant ballista, is that it could be something that shoots once every 3 or 4 turns (due to its size, it is slow to reload... no cqc attack, up to 9 or 10 range, really slow speed, like just 1 speed, and that shoot can basically rip off to shreds anything slow or big enough like ships, giants and dragons.
Da vinci giant ballista.jpg
Going off that picture, I'd say 2x2 is required. And I think there's no way to fit this in a wagon or building.
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Re: Big ballista DISCUSSING

Post by General Brave » Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:12 pm

I suggest putting regular ballista first before we add something this big.
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Post by LordOfAles » Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:13 pm

Brave made good point.
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Post by makazuwr32 » Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:14 pm

i'll prefer to name it "Arcane ballista"
Also 2x2 is too big still. real size of medieval catapults is nearly same (a bit smaller only). Some could even be bigger than that. But they still take 1x1 place and can be moved in wagon.
Also 2x2 size means that this thing must be of comparable size as Castle/Temple/Volcano/Kingdom. i don't think it is really of that size.
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Post by LordOfAles » Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:15 pm

Why Arcane? It has no connection with magic.
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