Goblin pyromancer

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Re: Goblin pyromancer

Post by Savra » Sun Sep 09, 2018 3:35 pm

I can agree with firestorm because that was questionable, but I just wanted something that required research for him. But goblin pyromancer is exactly what goblins are known for. Fire in itself is a common spell that anybody could use, just like a fire elemental is the most common elemental besides earth. Humans have powerful spells and such but the goblin s can afford one pyromancer. Besides goblins work a lot more with fire then dwarves, they build things that involve lava. As for dwarves they are more into their ruin magic. Undead have ice magic and the pyromancer already has a ready image and spells are all that's left. Wisps make sense for orcs because they have shamans that communicate with spirits of the such.

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Re: Goblin pyromancer

Post by Savra » Sun Sep 09, 2018 3:38 pm

Btw, mountain shaman should be a troll since they are more affiliated with mountains. Orcs have a Warlock.

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Re: Goblin pyromancer

Post by makazuwr32 » Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:55 pm

No. That is enough of caster units for orcs right now.
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Re: Goblin pyromancer

Post by Savra » Sun Sep 09, 2018 7:56 pm

We'll keep this idea for the orcs, but only till everyone else gets better casters. Orcs right now have 3 and 5 that are waiting, though I don't see a problem with one of them.

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Re: Goblin pyromancer

Post by Alexander82 » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:35 pm

I'd like to put in both pyromancer and goblin shaman but I think we can wait since we should make a lot of new effects.

Anyway I like the warfell sorceress and wizard so I think i'll put them in for humans to give them again the edge on the spellcaster numbers

We will need more for elves and undeads tough
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Re: Goblin pyromancer

Post by Savra » Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:36 am

Updated the wisp.
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Re: Goblin pyromancer

Post by Savra » Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:41 am

Alexander82 wrote:
Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:35 pm
I'd like to put in both pyromancer and goblin shaman but I think we can wait since we should make a lot of new effects.

Anyway I like the warfell sorceress and wizard so I think i'll put them in for humans to give them again the edge on the spellcaster numbers

We will need more for elves and undeads tough
Idk about giving humans best spell casters. The problem is, is they have a lot of cav including giant based (war elephant) they also are going to have best supporting units too, e.g. Templars and such. So maybe just leave their strengths as naval, support casters, and cavalry. Undead should have best spell casters over cab because they lack that many cab plus they have spells for most they're units. Just saying.

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Re: Goblin pyromancer

Post by Savra » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:30 pm

Summon wisp - could make it a sacrifice of a unit of just a corpse. Cool:3
Summon fire wall - cool:4
Fireball - rng:4
Fireblast - could work like a magic missile with burning effect but a cool:1

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Re: Goblin pyromancer

Post by Lynx Shafir » Sat Sep 29, 2018 5:58 am

Having javelineer (kinda fire Archer?-passive! - and very hight range ) and warlock.
enough - spellcaster for ork
Its enough fire for now. (their only tower shouts fire ball)
A cheap unit with so many fire source when evry building is burnable. No

(Wisp - don't like summon
1.if wish is good than is spamed from pikers.
If bad (stats) no reason to sacrifice.
2.a summoning to distract enemy and support from already cheap units it's not a need and lacking for orcs, their r fine with siege.
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Re: Goblin pyromancer

Post by Savra » Sat Sep 29, 2018 4:47 pm

I was trying to make it a sacrifice unit since most orc spell casters with summons or powerful moves should focus more on sacrifice. The wisp I think bad reasonable stats for that, but for corpse spawning for wisp we would give orcs their means to get rid of corpses. Now I didn't want to give him firestorm because we could probably find a later human unit who can do this ability. We could however, make goblin pyro be using more concentrated fire spells that effect single targets only and maybe leave him with 3 spells instead of 4. So basically:

Fire blast
Summon fire wall
Summon wisp

Note new orc spell casters most likely will be added in future since eventually they will be the only things you have left to implement other then heroes and techs.

These new spell casters would most likely be long term coming units, and most likely we'll end up making an upgrade structure for these units from the shamans hut. They're mainly supposed to be from their so we have more of a purpose for it. Besides this maxes orcs out at 7-8 spell casters. It elves, humans, and Undead have far more then this.

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Re: Goblin pyromancer

Post by Savra » Sun Sep 30, 2018 2:38 am

Maybe I'm looking at this all wrong, maybe he should have a different style...

Fire blast: rng:6, dmg:8, causes burn
Summon fire pit: rng:3, cool:2, spawns a fire pit trap.
Summon fire wall: rng:3, cool:3, spawns a fire wall.
Torch: rng:6, reveals an area within radius of 3 for 3 turns.

He officially becomes a Unique caster who can be used to light up an area temporary. Can also hinder enemy forces by use of temporary traps and walls.

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Re: Goblin pyromancer

Post by makazuwr32 » Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:32 am

That sounds better.
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Re: Goblin pyromancer

Post by Savra » Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:41 am

I figured fireball and summon wisp was a.little much since orc summons s should probably work as an alternative to producing certain units. That was are suggestion for the bug near shaman to be able to summon the fury since it is rather unused much and should probably be added as just a unit that is accessible through sacrificing summons.

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Re: Goblin pyromancer

Post by Savra » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:16 am

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Re: Goblin pyromancer

Post by Savra » Sun Oct 07, 2018 5:21 am

Just thought of something, what if we make the extra cost for the wisp be a -4 from the pyro's life each time he uses it? Btw, wisps can cross lava. Just a thought.

If the wisp gets added though, then one spell has to go.

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Re: Goblin pyromancer

Post by Savra » Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:45 am

Alright, besides a new fire wall this unit seems ready?
Goblin pyromancer:
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Buid: shaman hut
Cost:3
Hp:13
Atk:3 burning weapon
Rng:1
Sight:5
Spd:3
Arm:0
P.arm:0
Res:40%
Abilities:
ImageFire missile: rng:4, dmg:10, burning
Summon fire wall: rng:4, cool:3, research:4
Summon Fire pit: rng:4, cool:2
ImageTorch: rng:6, cool:2, reveals an area 4 for 1 turn. Basically the vision spell.

Fire wall:
Image
Van:3
Hp:30
Atk:8 burning, first strike
Rng:0
Sight:3
Arm:0
P.arm:8
Counts as a wall.

Fire pit:
Image
Hp:8
Atk:12 burning weapon
Rng:0
Sight:2
Arm:0
P.arm:0
Counts as a trap, invisible
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Re: Goblin pyromancer

Post by makazuwr32 » Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:09 am

About "torch spell" i suggest to increase area it shows to 4.
As for fire wall i suggest to add "100% damage on counter".
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Re: Goblin pyromancer

Post by Lynx Shafir » Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:54 am

How's fire missile/blast working?
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Re: Goblin pyromancer

Post by makazuwr32 » Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:57 am

Fire missle will be like magic missle but with appliable on hit (if possible) burning effect.
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Re: Goblin pyromancer

Post by Savra » Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:36 pm

Exactly, so it is not an aoe based attack, and has short range that isn't effected by upgrades.

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Re: Goblin pyromancer

Post by Savra » Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:22 am

Fire wall.
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Re: Goblin pyromancer

Post by Savra » Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:53 pm

Fire missile.
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Re: Goblin pyromancer

Post by Savra » Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:48 pm

That's all. Updated list.

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