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Re: Ribault

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 9:01 pm
by godOfKings
MightyGuy wrote:
Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:38 pm
Name: Rebault
Upgrade Unit: Yes (4 Gems)

STATS:
Cost: 5
HP: 14
Attack: 5 (normal atk not arrow type)
Armor: 1
P. Armor: 6
Range: 5
Action Turn: 2
Speed: 2
Power range 1
Power penalty 0
Builders: Workers (for 14 turns), Siege Shop.
Does it require gun powder tech? If it does then cost 4 and higher base damage

Re: Ribault

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 9:39 pm
by Gral.Sturnn
Ues it needs powder researched

Re: Ribault

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:23 pm
by makazuwr32
If this thing will have only 2 actions/turn than it is not better than heavy ballista.
Even with that "no damage penalty".

I suggest to both increase damage to 8 and actions/turn to 3 from gok's suggestion while having 4 turn cost.
This way it will be compared to ballista (especially heavy one - with these suggestions both will deal up to 24 damave to main target) and while ballista will deal more damage to heavy armored targets and has a bit lower range than this one.
MightyGuy wrote:
Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:38 pm
Name: Rebault
Upgrade Unit: Yes (4 Gems)

STATS:
Cost: 4, requires gunpowder tech.
HP: 14, vurable to fire.
Attack: 8 (deals piercing type damage)
Armor: 1
P. Armor: 5
Range: 6
Actions/Turn: 3
Speed: 2
Power range 1
Power penalty 0 (so it will deal 8 damage to all targets near first one per shot)
Builders: Workers (for 14 turns), Siege Shop.

Re: Ribault

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:02 am
by Gral.Sturnn
Looks good

Re: Ribault

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:24 am
by makazuwr32
Shall it have same miss chance as ballista, no miss chance or higher one?

Re: Ribault

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:42 am
by Gral.Sturnn
Higher it should

Re: Ribault

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:46 am
by makazuwr32
So let's make 30% chance of missing on infantries, 50% on cavalry and 100% on air units and ships.

Re: Ribault

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 8:06 am
by Gral.Sturnn
Not a 100% on ships tho

Re: organ gun/volley gun

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:38 am
by MightyGuy
In my opinion, just remove this one because it will take a long time to be merged because sometimes CoolGuy is offline

Re: Ribault

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:41 am
by godOfKings
doesnt really matter if it has miss chance, since it does not get damage penalty in area effect, it will deal same damage to all units around target area, in that case i think damage might actually b a bit high, 24 to everything around target

Re: Ribault

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:48 am
by makazuwr32
Remember that this damage is lowered by armor:
if unit has armor 2 than he will get only 18 damage, if 3 than 15 etc... because damage reduction from armor applies to each shot.

Also i think that this unit must deal piercing damage, not melee one because it makes no sense to deal full damage to buildings, ships, skirmishers, shielders.

Re: Ribault

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:51 am
by godOfKings
but it is shooting iron bullets... even if it has higher damage i would still prefer ballista over it if it used pierce damage,and workers would focus on catapults and battering ram, there r too many units with similar uses,

Re: Ribault

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:25 am
by makazuwr32
And because it is really strange
makazuwr32 wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:48 am
to deal full damage to buildings, ships, skirmishers, shielders.
It shoots small bullets, even smaller than musketeer ones. Lots of but small ones.

Re: Ribault

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:47 pm
by godOfKings
That is y it was originally suggested low damage with high action

Re: Ribault

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:14 pm
by makazuwr32
and that is why i like first idea: 9 actions, 5 damage, single target.
Maybe lower damage even more (to 4) and it will be awesome unit.

Re: Ribault

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 5:04 pm
by godOfKings
I also support original suggestion, but wat about gral.sturn? I only suggested a balanced area effect because gral wanted atk in a row or something,

Personally I accept whatever the majority chooses

Re: Ribault

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 5:30 pm
by Gral.Sturnn
I suggested a row attack beacuss thats what the weapon did but if it is 2 hard to code or elze its ok

Re: Ribault

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 8:20 pm
by LordOfAles
Maybe some kind of area damage.

Re: Ribault

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:10 pm
by Gral.Sturnn
A 3x3 area damage?

Re: organ gun/volley gun

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:29 pm
by COOLguy
Ouch

Re: Ribault

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:55 pm
by Gral.Sturnn
What?

Ribauldequin-organ cannon

Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:31 am
by L4cus
Also called organ cannon.
Cost (i don't know)
Attack 9
Range 6
Armor 1/3
Speed 2
Sight 6
Actions/turn 5

Same bonus as musketter
Accuary worse than musket(just for a little)

Wikipedia info
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribauldequin

First draft
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Re: Ribauldequin-organ cannon

Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:00 pm
by godOfKings
Its a repost, there already exists same suggestion

Re: Ribauldequin-organ cannon

Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:01 pm
by godOfKings

Re: Ribault

Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:43 pm
by L4cus
Time has changed.
Taking new musketter stats as refference:
Attack 10
Range 6

This unit could have
Attack 7
Range 6
Action/turn 3-4?

Don't let ribault be a forgotten topic.

Re: Ribault

Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:20 pm
by Gral.Sturnn
indeed it shouldnt.

what hp so you suggest?

Re: Ribault

Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:36 pm
by L4cus
Gral.Sturnn wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:20 pm
indeed it shouldnt.

what hp so you suggest?
Similar to other siege units. Maybe 20. And 1/3 in Armor.

Re: Ribault

Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:11 pm
by Gral.Sturnn
thats fair, but what would make the unit unique according to your stats, giving it more attacks?

Re: Ribault

Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:05 am
by Morningwarrior
Is better 5 range and he have more +200% vs fortifield buildings and probaly have more than 1 action...maybe 5 for him no?
But the damage of unit is 5 damage per shot.

Re: Ribault

Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:31 am
by L4cus
Morningwarrior wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:05 am
Is better 5 range and he have more +200% vs fortifield buildings and probaly have more than 1 action...maybe 5 for him no?
But the damage of unit is 5 damage per shot.
It is practly an amount of little cannons, its a musket party, it must have at least 7 attack(musketter has 12) , its a gunpowder unit.
About range and give it some bonus v builbing, i agree.