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Missionary upgrade

Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:03 pm
by Endru1241
Upgrade for the missionary:
Why?
Because after all upgrades it's the weakest healer of all.

My proposition: +1 heal range, +8 heal, +20% conversion resistance - upgrades from priest upgrade tech.
Definitely no conversion range increases and no speed increases!
Conversion chance should also stay the same

name: Missionary Priest

Re: Missionary upgrade

Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:14 pm
by Stratego (dev)
good to go!

Re: Missionary upgrade

Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:24 am
by StormSaint373
I don't see reason to penalize missionary by not increasing Spell Range and convert chance

At least from 30%- 50%

And spell rng to 3... For both heal and convert

Otherwise, why even upgrade him?

Re: Missionary upgrade

Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:52 am
by patroid
Hi,
I had to

Patroid

Re: Missionary upgrade

Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:53 am
by LordOfAles
The poses look weird. He looks like a dwarf.

Re: Missionary upgrade

Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:11 am
by patroid
Hi,
agreed

patroid

Re: Missionary upgrade

Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:13 am
by LordOfAles
The first one looks much better!

Re: Missionary upgrade

Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:26 am
by DreJaDe
I might be the only one thinking but isn't the Missionary's stick a bit heavy looking to be handled in one hand? Even for a wooden spear, holding it like that never a good idea.

Re: Missionary upgrade

Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:59 pm
by Stratego (dev)
it is nice how it come more 3dish by Patroid image, but the suggested new look looks not so natural not sure why. i mean the horse position.

Re: Missionary upgrade

Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:28 pm
by Endru1241
StormSaint373 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:24 am
I don't see reason to penalize missionary by not increasing Spell Range and convert chance

At least from 30%- 50%

And spell rng to 3... For both heal and convert

Otherwise, why even upgrade him?
Convert range is already 3 in base missionary stats. My json brings upgraded one heal range to 3.
He has base 20% chance (persuasion brings it to 50%), while priest (upgraded healer) has 40%.
With 50% he would be much stronger, so a definite no. Maybe +10% wouldn't destroy balance.
And even if he wouldn't get any convert chance it's not actually penalization - he's getting "free" upgrade if you upgrade priest. And the pries upgrade is actually bringing some balance, as missionary is clearly better than base healer - same heal range, 40% worse heal, twice the speed, the same conversion chance, but missonary has actually greater effective range (4 speed + 3 range vs 2 speed + 4 range).
While Comparing against priest missonary has greater effective range, but less chance.

Summarizing - I could agree to +10% conversion chance additionally (to 30%, 60% with persuasion).
Others?

Re: Missionary upgrade

Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:00 am
by Puss_in_Boots
No, no extra conversion chance thank you. We don't need to buff the priest tech anymore than it is suggested as now.

Re: Missionary upgrade

Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:03 am
by Morningwarrior
The missionary upgrade could add a speed point, as well as having in my opinion 2 actions / turn and 5 turns to research.

Re: Missionary upgrade

Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:13 am
by Endru1241
Endru1241 wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:03 pm

Definitely no conversion range increases and no speed increases!
I don't even know how to comment on double action.

Re: Missionary upgrade

Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:15 am
by LordOfAles
Or cost raise. You don't upgrade a unit to make it more expensive.