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Cossacks

Post by Dan301002 » Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:09 pm

Cossacks is a cavalry units of Rusia in medieval era, at that time they use Shashka (cossack sabre). The definition of the weapon is like this "very sharp, single-edged, single-handed, and guardless sword. In appearance, the shashka was midway between a full sabre and a straight sword. It had a slightly curved blade, and could be effective for both slashing and thrusting. The blade was either hollowed or fullered".
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Re: Cossacks

Post by Puss_in_Boots » Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:12 pm

What's the cavalry look like?
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Re: Cossacks

Post by Dan301002 » Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:31 pm

I got no luck, there is no simple image about cossacks, this is the closest one i get. (Not sure if it really like that)
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Btw, i am wrong about the cossacks, the cossacks come in renaissance era (already exist before that time). They had renaissance gun or so i thought? Then, they should have an ability to shoot once per few turns (accuracy?), and still be able to stab using their sabre if not firing shot.
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Re: Cossacks

Post by DoomCarrot » Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:24 am

Yes, they were cavalry that carried old fashioned rifles. In Age of Empires, they were powerful light cavalry that could attack at range, and I remember them being super OP :P

I actually think they would really fit the theme of AoS, and it would give more use to gunpowder. Basically the gunpowder version of horse archer. Mix Ashigaru damage + accuracy with horse archer and that could make an interesting unit. :)
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Re: Cossacks

Post by Puss_in_Boots » Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:30 am

Honestly, I think the accuracy of the Cossack should be similar to the ashigaru, but it will still have the same cost, speed, and health of the horse archer.

Maybe another castle only unit?
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Re: Cossacks

Post by Dan301002 » Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:02 pm

DoomCarrot wrote:Yes, they were cavalry that carried old fashioned rifles. In Age of Empires, they were powerful light cavalry that could attack at range, and I remember them being super OP :P

I actually think they would really fit the theme of AoS, and it would give more use to gunpowder. Basically the gunpowder version of horse archer. Mix Ashigaru damage + accuracy with horse archer and that could make an interesting unit. :)
Eh, i thing it could be interesting. Of course they should have the accuracy of Yari Ashigaru while packing more punch than Horse Archer with the same cost. (Lesser accuracy bigger damage)
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Re: Cossacks

Post by Midonik » Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:53 pm

Cossacks can as well be from earlier period and be a horse archers/melee cavalry.
They weren't only Russian units,earlier a lot of them served Lithuania and Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Until some rebels destroyed our relationships... anyway...
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Re: Cossacks

Post by makazuwr32 » Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:42 pm

Historikal help:
As from Russia i can say that first cossacks appeared with mongolian hordes on russia at 1240 year: they were knights who fled from mongols at first.
To 1480 year they became different from usual armies because they were fearsome and independent from all countries they were living at: Russia, Lithuania, Poland, Crimea (controlled by osman empire).
So i think thier stats must be something around these (could you also implement here dodge mechanics from aof?):
Can be built only in stables;
cost is 3 turns;
Spell resist: 20%
and they were fearless, so no "Camel fear" effect to them
HP: 28-30 (around)
Range: melee only,
Attack: 5-6 (and if they can't be upgraded by blacksmith, then 7); 2 actions/turn; bonus damage to knights and their upgrades, hussars and hungarian hussars, all infantry and most of archers exept maybe elephant archers (because they were universal fighters, but they never fought with war elephants and catapults) and bonus must be betveen 60% and 100% (infantry must have lover bonus %).
Because they hadn't any armor so no armor upgrades and 0/0 (or maybe 1/0) armor.
but they were good at dodge arrows and counters so i suggest to implement dodge mechanic and to set them these:
Dodge arrows - 25%
Dodge counters - 50% (and no upgrades for those)
Speed - 6 or even 7 (they were FASTER then even light cavalary of Poland kindom)
Sight range - 6 or 7 (same as their speed)
So they will be anti-infantry, anti-heavy cavalary (but weak against elephants), anti-archer unit.

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Re: Cossacks

Post by Midonik » Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:01 pm

Good,but I think it should have a 4 cost and 6 speed,it will completly replace light cav otherwise. And Stratego will probably dont want to add more dodge.
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Re: Cossacks

Post by makazuwr32 » Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:14 am

Midonik wrote:Good,but I think it should have a 4 cost and 6 speed,it will completly replace light cav otherwise. And Stratego will probably dont want to add more dodge.
They will not replace Light cav because
1. they don't have any anti-pierce armor.
2. they can be trained only in stables, not in the towns. you need at least 7 turns 'till first cossack if you start with one worker.
3. speed could also be 6. it was just a suggestion.
4. they don't have ANY armor upgrades, so while game is going they'll become weaker and weaker.

And if without dodge mechanics then i think they must have a little bit different stats:
Can be built only in stables (no early cossacks in random from towns);
cost is 4 turns (to compensate increase in armor and health);
Spell resist: 30%
and they were fearless, so no "Camel fear" effect to them
HP: 31 (increased)
Range: melee only,
Attack: 7, no blacksmith upgrades, 2 actions/turn; bonus damage to knights and their upgrades, hussars and hungarian hussars, all infantry and most of archers exept maybe elephant archers (because they were universal fighters, but they never fought with war elephants and catapults) and bonus must be betveen 60% and 100% (infantry must have lover bonus %).
Because no dodge 1/2 armor.
Speed - 6
Sight range - 6

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Re: Cossacks

Post by makazuwr32 » Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:43 am

I desided to complete revamp of cossacks
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