Byzantine empire unit pack

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Byzantine empire unit pack

Post by Gral.Sturnn » Thu Jun 28, 2018 12:43 am

A unit pack for the byzantine empire.

Hope you like it.

PD:I need help with rgb colors in gimp
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Re: Byzantine empire unit pack

Post by Gral.Sturnn » Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:53 pm

rework
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Re: Byzantine empire unit pack

Post by samuelch » Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:39 pm

Looks nice.
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Re: Byzantine empire unit pack

Post by Gral.Sturnn » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:51 pm

samuelch wrote:
Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:39 pm
Looks nice.
Thanks
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Re: Byzantine empire unit pack

Post by General Brave » Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:58 am

Really like the calvary, someone should discuss stats.
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Re: Byzantine empire unit pack

Post by Gral.Sturnn » Sun Jul 01, 2018 2:18 am

General Brave wrote:
Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:58 am
Really like the calvary, someone should discuss stats.
I am working on them
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Re: Byzantine empire unit pack

Post by Gral.Sturnn » Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:55 am

Stats:

Byzantine lancer: same as lancer but with a 30% bomus v/infantry

Byzantine mounted archer: same as mounted archer but with +1 armor

Mounted lakinton: same as heavy lancer but 50% bonus v/infantry

Byzantine swordman: same as broadswordman

Byzantine archer guard: same as longbowman but with pierce armor and 10% bonus v/cab

Varangian guard: same as man at arms but with armor 1 pierce armor and 20% bonus v/infantry

Dismounted lankinton: same as man at arms armor: 2 ,plus 8 hp, 10% bonus v/infantry, plus 30% resistance to arrows.

Byzantine empire spearman: same as my "shielded spearman idea"

Byzantine empire archer: same as archer, plus 5 hp.
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Re: Byzantine empire unit pack

Post by makazuwr32 » Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:57 am

Uhm... both lancers already have 50% bonus to infantries.
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Put some numbers, compare to what other races have and so on. Some real info why it must be done.
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Re: Byzantine empire unit pack

Post by Gral.Sturnn » Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:58 am

Really? Well dangit :)
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Re: Byzantine empire unit pack

Post by Gral.Sturnn » Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:01 am

Byzantine fire thrower:
Hp: 20
Attack Power:6
Speed:3
Normal Armor:2
Pierce Armor:2
Builders:Castle
Actions per turn:1
Conversion resistance:0%
Cost:3
Range:5
Sight:4
Burning effect on attack.
The Greek fire can't be put out.
Not affected by blacksmith tech.

1 turn to reload and 30% vulnerabiliti for cab, "area damage"
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Re: Byzantine empire unit pack

Post by Gral.Sturnn » Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:08 am

makazuwr32 wrote:
Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:57 am
Uhm... both lancers already have 50% bonus to infantries.
Byzantine lancer remains the same as regulsr lancer.

Mounted lankinton: plus 1 armor and plus 1 speed
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Re: Byzantine empire unit pack

Post by samuelch » Sun Jul 01, 2018 8:15 am

A cataphract. Byzantine heavily armoured cavalry. Can withstand a lot of arrows and melee attacks. Armed with a lance. Bonus against infanty and cavalry.
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Re: Byzantine empire unit pack

Post by Gral.Sturnn » Sun Jul 01, 2018 1:23 pm

samuelch wrote:
Sun Jul 01, 2018 8:15 am
A cataphract. Byzantine heavily armoured cavalry. Can withstand a lot of arrows and melee attacks. Armed with a lance. Bonus against infanty and cavalry.
40% resistance v/arrows and 50% bonus v/cab an infantry???
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Re: Byzantine empire unit pack

Post by makazuwr32 » Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:20 pm

no-No-NO!
No resistance to arrows and such because this is too op.
If unit has some protection against arrows that means that he has high p.armor.
I think it must have similar to shield knight stats but lower attack (7) and a bit lower armor (3/3) and as said higher bonus to cavalry and infantry. For beginning basic lancer bonuses. ofc same as shield knight's speed (4).
makazuwr32 wrote:
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Please when you ask to change something argument why do you want that change. ...
Put some numbers, compare to what other races have and so on. Some real info why it must be done.
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Re: Byzantine empire unit pack

Post by Gral.Sturnn » Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:16 pm

ok so same stats as lancer ad heavy lancer?

EDIT: Remember all this units are only for campaigns not for online just as the crusaders and saracens
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Re: Byzantine empire unit pack

Post by samuelch » Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:45 am

The cataphract will be similar with the imperial knight from AOF. High cost, high attack, tanky.
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Re: Byzantine empire unit pack

Post by Gral.Sturnn » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:29 am

Yup
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Re: Byzantine empire unit pack

Post by godOfKings » Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:19 pm

Edit first post and put all stats and latest images in that post, if u press the place inline button under each attachment, u will get a link to that attachment in the post, u can then copy this link under each stats suggestion which this image references, it will b more organized this way
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Re: Byzantine empire unit pack

Post by Gral.Sturnn » Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:37 pm

godOfKings wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:19 pm
Edit first post and put all stats and latest images in that post, if u press the place inline button under each attachment, u will get a link to that attachment in the post, u can then copy this link under each stats suggestion which this image references, it will b more organized this way
Alright!
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Re: Byzantine empire unit pack

Post by godOfKings » Tue Jul 03, 2018 6:59 pm

I remade Ur Byzantine spearman according to stratego's suggestion and realized how much 2dish ur img actually was, good news is that stratego will implement it like this. As an example, sort Ur first post like this

Description: Byzantine spearman is a...
Cost 3
HP 20
Armor 1/1
Atk 6
Speed 3
Sight 4
Builder barracks
Bonus 300% cav
600% elephant

Any weakness or resistance? (Weakness from melee or resistance to arrow etc.)
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This is the exact stats I wrote
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Re: Byzantine empire unit pack

Post by Gral.Sturnn » Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:18 pm

godOfKings wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 6:59 pm
I remade Ur Byzantine spearman according to stratego's suggestion and realized how much 2dish ur img actually was, good news is that stratego will implement it like this. As an example, sort Ur first post like this

Description: Byzantine spearman is a...
Cost 3
HP 20
Armor 1/1
Atk 6
Speed 3
Sight 4
Builder barracks
Bonus 300% cav
600% elephant

Any weakness or resistance? (Weakness from melee or resistance to arrow etc.)
32_unit_byzantine_spearman.png

This is the exact stats I wrote
no piercing damage and a little bonus v/infantry
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Re: Byzantine empire unit pack

Post by Gral.Sturnn » Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:19 pm

And what does the dev thinks about the stats?
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Re: Byzantine empire unit pack

Post by godOfKings » Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:42 pm

I would rather leave the dev out of the headache of balancing stats, u give the stats and I (along with other forumers) will suggest the balanced stats. It is a much betr hp unit than pikeman along with higher armor and blacksmith bonus, so it doesn't need any bonus against infantry, also as the map creator u can give just about any stat using triggers. u r like a god of ur little world ;) but if u give too much op stats other players will feel bored.

the dev will implement any map editor unit as long as it maintains some standards on image and stats
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Re: Byzantine empire unit pack

Post by godOfKings » Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:53 pm

Gral.Sturnn wrote:
Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:55 am

Byzantine archer guard: same as longbowman but with pierce armor and 10% bonus v/cab
I got a question though, y does archer have bonus against cav? that's just impossible, it would mean if an archer survives a cavalry charge he will instantly hit him with an arrow as counter attack instead of limping around with broken limbs...

nope that's just not acceptable here, also he can have a bit higher hp but I think range should b 6 with blacksmith bonus
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Re: Byzantine empire unit pack

Post by Gral.Sturnn » Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:54 pm

godOfKings wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:53 pm
Gral.Sturnn wrote:
Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:55 am

Byzantine archer guard: same as longbowman but with pierce armor and 10% bonus v/cab
I got a question though, y does archer have bonus against cav? that's just impossible, it would mean if an archer survives a cavalry charge he will instantly hit him with an arrow as counter attack instead of limping around with broken limbs...

nope that's just not acceptable here, also he can have a bit higher hp but I think range should b 6 with blacksmith bonus
so pierce armor without bonus sounds still pretty nice and also 5hp
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Re: Byzantine empire unit pack

Post by godOfKings » Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:04 pm

u should try to write the exact stats after comparing them with the in-game stats of other units, in the first post like the example I gave
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Re: Byzantine empire unit pack

Post by Gral.Sturnn » Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:21 pm

Am working on that, So the dev likes the idea? tho?
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Re: Byzantine empire unit pack

Post by godOfKings » Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:43 pm

he will accept anybody creative enough to write his story with his own maps and battles. the only things he wont accept r offensive stories which promote hatred towards any real world group of people, and maps with buggy triggers

ur shielded and Byzantine spearman might soon b uploaded as map editor units in google play version, but dev does not announce new map editor units, so u should check urself after u update to a new version
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Re: Byzantine empire unit pack

Post by Gral.Sturnn » Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:36 pm

alright, thank you!!, by the way the byzantine empire was a great enemy f the knights templar, is it a problem if I make a campaign out of that conflict?
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Re: Byzantine empire unit pack

Post by godOfKings » Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:03 pm

It actually depends on how many people gets triggered by the story to want to vote Ur story out of the game, but truth b told, most people don't even care, and only play for the fun, if someone sent a complaint to the dev then he might have to take Ur story down. So keeping that in mind try to keep Ur story as less offensive as posbl without using any swear or dirty words


Like I played the crusader campaign and it talked of raiding and pillaging Muslim villages like it was nothing, obviously a Muslim player would feel offended if he was told to destroy a Muslim village, even if this is a virtual game.

So my personal opinion is dont make a map where defeating the ai is easy, and the ai represents weak and powerless groups of people that directly refer to any real world group. Conquests can b real murky waters
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