Berserker redesign IMPLEMENTED

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Berserker redesign IMPLEMENTED

Post by Lynx Shafir » Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:19 am

Thinking of old one isn't terrifying nor the most historical accurate, made this design

Wears Wolf hide, is half naked and got bigger weapon
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Re: Berserker redesign

Post by SirLuciano » Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:48 am

This unit should have a passive ability where the lower the health he has the higher his damage is

Good idea?or nah?
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Re: Berserker redesign

Post by Endru1241 » Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:18 pm

Lynx Shafir wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:19 am
Berserker redesign

by Lynx Shafir » Today, 09:19
Thinking of old one isn't terrifying nor the most historical accurate, made this design
But Berserker current image is historically correct - they wore armor and bear skin cape. They had religious worship practices related to bears. The name itself implies relation to bear.
Of course raging warriors having image related to wolfs, but they were named Úlfhéðnar by Nordic people.
Btw. wolf-men existed in many Indo-European cultures and were often described as great fighters, madmen, bestial. Werewolf legend probably comes from that.

I would just create new unit, with a little different abilities - from some other culture (celtic comes to mind, but they already have decent highlanders).
SirLuciano wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:48 am
This unit should have a passive ability where the lower the health he has the higher his damage is

Good idea?or nah?
I like the idea, but for AoF maybe - while it fits the image of berserks (mostly created by games) - it is not the most historically correct.
Also it could be hard to implement (damage debuff with AMOUNT_BY_HP setting maybe? ).
Something similar, but easier to introduce would be bonus power after taking each hit, but I'm still considering it.
Real berserker would feel much less pain, have disturbed vision, less surroundings awareness, feel restlessness, have hallucinations - those are medical symptoms related to most probable psychoactive substance they used. Additionally induced rage could allow more brave = more damaging attacks, but weaker defence (they often did not survive berserk state).
Maybe just changing berserk ability stats would be more fitting.
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Re: Berserker redesign

Post by Gral.Sturnn » Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:40 pm

Endru1241 wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:18 pm
Lynx Shafir wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:19 am
Berserker redesign

by Lynx Shafir » Today, 09:19
Thinking of old one isn't terrifying nor the most historical accurate, made this design
But Berserker current image is historically correct - they wore armor and bear skin cape. They had religious worship practices related to bears. The name itself implies relation to bear.
Of course raging warriors having image related to wolfs, but they were named Úlfhéðnar by Nordic people.
Btw. wolf-men existed in many Indo-European cultures and were often described as great fighters, madmen, bestial. Werewolf legend probably comes from that.

I would just create new unit, with a little different abilities - from some other culture (celtic comes to mind, but they already have decent highlanders).
SirLuciano wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:48 am
This unit should have a passive ability where the lower the health he has the higher his damage is

Good idea?or nah?
I like the idea, but for AoF maybe - while it fits the image of berserks (mostly created by games) - it is not the most historically correct.
Also it could be hard to implement (damage debuff with AMOUNT_BY_HP setting maybe? ).
Something similar, but easier to introduce would be bonus power after taking each hit, but I'm still considering it.
Real berserker would feel much less pain, have disturbed vision, less surroundings awareness, feel restlessness, have hallucinations - those are medical symptoms related to most probable psychoactive substance they used. Additionally induced rage could allow more brave = more damaging attacks, but weaker defence (they often did not survive berserk state).
Maybe just changing berserk ability stats would be more fitting.
He has horns and a cape, not very accurate in my opinion.
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Re: Berserker redesign

Post by Endru1241 » Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:39 pm

While I agree, that horned helmets were not used, but cape was very common outfit used by Nordic people.
Meanwhile most definitely none of their warriors ever fought with bare chest - it would be suicide not only in battle, but mostly while travelling considering the climate of that times.
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Re: Berserker redesign

Post by Gral.Sturnn » Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:47 pm

Endru1241 wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:39 pm
While I agree, that horned helmets were not used, but cape was very common outfit used by Nordic people.
Meanwhile most definitely none of their warriors ever fought with bare chest - it would be suicide not only in battle, but mostly while travelling considering the climate of that times.
Cravens, I forgot about the cape fashion, at the end its just a vesatile piece of cloth I remember a documentary about it.
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Re: Berserker redesign

Post by Lynx Shafir » Thu Dec 19, 2019 9:24 am

Let's say I change that silly horned helmet to a bear hide

May the ritual appearance isn't perfect for battlefield so I'll put on a "shirt".

I didn't liked Cape and horn together becouse looked like a comic character...

It's ability is rather defensive now, while he's an elephant n killer.
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Re: Berserker redesign

Post by Endru1241 » Thu Dec 19, 2019 1:24 pm

Yeah I think his ability needs change.
Current - bulky image with helmet and cape changed to hooded bear cloak would be the best.

Your graphic work on the other hand I would like to implement as a different unit - the image is great and I really like it. I don't think there is a need for shirt if it wouldn't be nordic unit.
Idea - wolf warrior:
primitive, light infantry, cost 3, speedy, not very defensive (or loosing hp on rage), affected by war paints and tatoos, with some non-standard bonuses.
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Re: Berserker redesign

Post by Lynx Shafir » Wed Jan 01, 2020 12:12 pm

Here's with bear hide
If want me to add some other clothing let me know. Chestplate?


It's flattering you like the Wolf one. Who would thought aos gets "werewolves" sooner than Aof ;)
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Re: Berserker redesign

Post by SirPat » Sun Jan 05, 2020 3:43 am

And also needs ability revamp too :D p
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Re: Berserker redesign

Post by Endru1241 » Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:30 pm

Lynx Shafir wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2020 12:12 pm
Here's with bear hide
If want me to add some other clothing let me know. Chestplate?


It's flattering you like the Wolf one. Who would thought aos gets "werewolves" sooner than Aof ;)
Maybe chestplate with short sleeves (so chest and left shoulder colored/buffed) - I don't know which would look better - metal or leather.
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Re: Berserker redesign

Post by Gral.Sturnn » Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:03 pm

What about chain mail?
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Re: Berserker redesign

Post by godOfKings » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:10 pm

wasnt chain mail introduced later? were there chain mails in the time of vikings?
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Re: Berserker redesign

Post by godOfKings » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:12 pm

also on the side note, it doesnt make sense for vikings to have bonus on elephants, instead should have high bonus on buildings (let loose a berserker in a village and he will massacre all, not even allow a chicken to continue breathing)
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Re: Berserker redesign

Post by Gral.Sturnn » Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:08 pm

godOfKings wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:10 pm
wasnt chain mail introduced later? were there chain mails in the time of vikings?
yes it definetly did, it was the most predominant type of armor everyone wore, well almost everyone.
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Re: Berserker redesign

Post by Lynx Shafir » Sat Feb 01, 2020 3:19 pm

Mail or gambison
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Re: Berserker redesign

Post by Endru1241 » Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:05 pm

Ok.
The one with chainmail is in the pack.
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