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I was thinking we might rebalance that unit to become more useful. As it is now it seems a bit underrated. What about giving a certain chance to spawnI was thinking to makes other 2 levels for the goblin spikers dropped by its back. Right now they are really pointless and their only usefulness is just occupying a tile around the unit.

So the hamletback might spawn elite spikers if you researched the elite goblin tech and master spikers if you already have the master goblin tech. Do you like the idea?

This is the original card for the unit:



Seeing as it works it really seems the opposite of the unit. While the unit drops units on hit the card gains attack and constitution when you play a new creature.

I think that should have been a strong card in mtg while the unit is not that great

Higher level spikers sounds good. I don't think these should get goblin grenade though. That's a little too powerful for free units.

I agree this is a little underused though. Maybe make it able to carry 1-2 small(goblin) units that can attack from it?

or it could gain +1 attack on each damage it gets (similar to zurgo)

No. Not on damage taken. We can't have a giant unit that upgrades when hit in the same race as troll shaman's 100% heal. Maybe if it gained attack and life (no armor) when it makes a kill though.

Would it be possible to gain an increase to attack and hp/maxhp by "absorbing" another friendly unit proportional to that unit cost? For example you might give it a +1 attack +3 hp for every point of cost (for example absorbing a unit that costs 2 it gains +2 att +6 hp)

That's an interesting idea. Complete contrast to the current version, but definitely interesting.

Alexander82 wrote:I was thinking we might rebalance that unit to become more useful. As it is now it seems a bit underrated. What about giving a certain chance to spawnI was thinking to makes other 2 levels for the goblin spikers dropped by its back. Right now they are really pointless and their only usefulness is just occupying a tile around the unit.

So the hamletback might spawn elite spikers if you researched the elite goblin tech and master spikers if you already have the master goblin tech. Do you like the idea?

This is the best version imho

Is it ok for Daniel?

we can not refer to tech as i remember. but we can simply improve spiker stats if we want

Are you sure? Ir should work like the reanimation skill that gives improved units.

What about the goblin upgrades (or orc king upgrades that might affect giants) affects the hamletback too giving it an improved skill that allows it to spawn stronger spikers?

Hamletback -> spikers
Elite Hamletback -> elite spikers
Master Hamletback -> master spikers

Maybe hamletback, villagebearer, and townbeast
Sorry, had to. I know it sounds a little corny.

I think that Daniel wants to keep the unit name

Is Goblin spiker affected by Goblin Grenade?

I think it will be since it is a goblin but I'd like to make goblin grenade start with an active cooldown to avoid making it exploitable.

Speaking of goblin grenade, when will that get in? And if spikers get it, that might be pretty powerful even without upgrades on them.

Alexander82 wrote:Are you sure? Ir should work like the reanimation skill that gives improved units.

What about the goblin upgrades (or orc king upgrades that might affect giants) affects the hamletback too giving it an improved skill that allows it to spawn stronger spikers?

Hamletback -> spikers
Elite Hamletback -> elite spikers
Master Hamletback -> master spikers

we dont have that setting without coding (imho)
- i am afraid the "reanimation skill" is not even working anymore - i never tried tough.

What? Also your turn.

Sunrise Samurai wrote:Speaking of goblin grenade, when will that get in? And if spikers get it, that might be pretty powerful even without upgrades on them.

I don't know. They spawn adjacent ti the hamletback and you don't generally want to loos your giants.

I'm working on the goblin grenade tough so it should be in in a short time. I'm also editing some orc techs to provide a more complex tech tree.

Alexander82 wrote:

Sunrise Samurai wrote:Speaking of goblin grenade, when will that get in? And if spikers get it, that might be pretty powerful even without upgrades on them.

I don't know. They spawn adjacent ti the hamletback and you don't generally want to loos your giants.

I'm working on the goblin grenade tough so it should be in in a short time. I'm also editing some orc techs to provide a more complex tech tree.

Actually my idea on that is I'd prefer to hit my own hamletback, to spawn more spikers. Obviously, I'd keep around a shaman or three to heal.

How can you do that?

When a hamletback​ takes damage, it spawns goblin spikers. If those spikers could be used to damage the hamletback again while hurting enemies, you could easily make a feedback loop. You just need to remember to heal the hamletback before you kill it.

That's why I'd like units to spawn with a cooldown on goblin grenade. The other use is too exploitable.

Anyway Daniel should I make 3 levels so that it will spawn upgraded spikers?

I think upgraded spikers is reasonable imo.

Me too

Or you can upgrade the hamletback for better spikers

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