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Dragonrend

Post by LordOfAles » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:22 pm

Cost: 6
Builders: TC
Description: Kobold shamans gain the ability to instantly kill any dragon, at the cost of their own lives.
Effect: 1 Kobold Shaman sacrifices himself to kill 1 dragon in their spell range.
Spell range: 2
Spell Chance: 50%
Bypasses Spell Resistance
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Re: Dragonrend

Post by General Brave » Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:40 pm

Seems nice, but also expensive.
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Re: Dragonrend

Post by LordOfAles » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:41 pm

Compare that with 8 turn expensive drakes and pretty strong green dragons and it will be worth it.
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Re: Dragonrend

Post by Menselot » Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:52 pm

I like it.
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Re: Dragonrend

Post by General Brave » Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:59 am

It should be 50% chance of converting a dragon.
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Re: Dragonrend

Post by makazuwr32 » Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:23 am

The problem is that elven dragon and drake knight for example both have 100% spell resist.
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Re: Dragonrend

Post by LordOfAles » Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:10 am

That can be easily bypassed i think, like how flail/maceman in aos bypass armor.
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Re: Dragonrend

Post by makazuwr32 » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:36 pm

I mean that both humans and elves rely on these two dragons pretty much and giving easy way of killing (or even more CONVERTING) them will surely unbalance them.
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Re: Dragonrend

Post by LordOfAles » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:45 pm

In that case let the spell range be 2. Dragons can defend before shamans come to them.
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Re: Dragonrend

Post by makazuwr32 » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:49 pm

Maybe if that is possible than add some chance for killing dragons? 50% will be fine.
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Re: Dragonrend

Post by LordOfAles » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:57 pm

1st: Research this 6 turn tech.
2nd: Build a fort [or wherever shamans are trained]
3rd: Train a shaman
4: Try to bring a shaman close enough to a dragon before he fires a fireball at him, or some other unit kills him.

I think 100% is fair
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Re: Dragonrend

Post by makazuwr32 » Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:04 pm

Hm.
Still not so fair because for those 2 mentioned dragons with 100% spell resist you need:
1. Build mega building
2. Train this dragon (6 turns for elves and 8 turns for humans).
3. Both can't be spammed so easily as 3 other variants.
Also orc's green dragon soon will not be easily spammable as well. Rebalancing for Green dragons
Scaledfolk will get soon also i think some wagons and this will make delivering those shamans to their targets much easier.
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Re: Dragonrend

Post by LordOfAles » Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:08 pm

It's not like you are going to send dragons alone. The actual challenge is to pass through other troops that are blocking a passage to dragon.
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Re: Dragonrend

Post by makazuwr32 » Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:11 pm

Another problem – all dragons are mostly frontline units and killing them is actually will be easy. Try to play for humans against orcs: their assasins (especially in wagons) are best units to deal with orcish giants. Dragons are similar.

So 100% to kill at least those 2 dragons with 100% spell resist is not so fair.
If we can make it so that shaman ignores half of spell resist via that spell than it will be fine: 100% chance for normal dragons and 50% for those 2 with spell resist.

Also those dragons without spell resist are easily killable already with the help of those shamans: you need to curse them and then shoot them till the death with your archers.
I think that curse is stackable (but here i am not sure).
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Re: Dragonrend

Post by LordOfAles » Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:15 pm

Exactly. Their strategy is to be used mainly frontline. It would actually be neat to play with different strategy against the scaledfolk race. It's a brand new strategy.
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Re: Dragonrend

Post by makazuwr32 » Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:16 pm

You already need to play against them new way because of more potent poisons they will have.
I am working for more ideas of abilities and passives for scaledfolk.
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Re: Dragonrend

Post by LordOfAles » Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:24 pm

Okay then. I will change the first post i guess.
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Re: Dragonrend

Post by makazuwr32 » Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:29 pm

That is more like it.
Remember that shaman has curse spell that targets 3 of 5 trainable dragons, lovering their damage, armor and speed.
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Re: Dragonrend

Post by LordOfAles » Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:33 pm

Fun fact: I never got to use him
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Re: Dragonrend

Post by General Brave » Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:39 pm

If you never use him, why are you talking about him?
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Re: Dragonrend

Post by LordOfAles » Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:49 pm

Because i have a knack for these things.
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Re: Dragonrend

Post by General Brave » Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:54 pm

Anyways he won't be the only healer/mage.
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Re: Dragonrend

Post by godOfKings » Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:36 am

the name sounds more like a dragon is using claws/tail to slash through many fleshy units,

how about the spell gives an allied melee unit a buff with which the unit has HUGE bonus against dragons, like the melee unit grows claws sharp enough to cut through dragon flesh or something, that makes more sense than instant kill depending on luck, i checked jsons it is possible to give bonus using spells
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Re: Dragonrend

Post by LordOfAles » Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:25 am

Make another suggestion for that. Also, Dragonrend has different yet similar meanings: take dragon's soul, destroy dragon's soul and such.
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Re: Dragonrend

Post by General Brave » Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:40 pm

godOfKings wrote:the name sounds more like a dragon is using claws/tail to slash through many fleshy units,

how about the spell gives an allied melee unit a buff with which the unit has HUGE bonus against dragons, like the melee unit grows claws sharp enough to cut through dragon flesh or something, that makes more sense than instant kill depending on luck, i checked jsons it is possible to give bonus using spells
I'm sure it's possible.
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Re: Dragonrend

Post by Skelegonsans » Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:55 pm

LordOfAles wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:22 pm
Cost: 6
Builders: TC
Description: Kobold shamans gain the ability to instantly kill any dragon, at the cost of their own lives.
Effect: 1 Kobold Shaman sacrifices himself to kill 1 dragon in their spell range.
Spell range: 2
Spell Chance: 50%
Bypasses Spell Resistance
This sounds pretty balanced and useful to me. After all Kobold shaman has 3 speed and ALL dragons have more speed than that so an easy counter is to just keep your dragons away from the kobold or kill it with other unit since it's really frail. And of course very useful as well because of it does reach a dragon, it will kill it. But does the Kobold die even if the 50% chance fails? If it does then I think it wouldn't be worth sacrificing a Kobold. Make it spend HP instead of dying instantly (like spending 6 - 9 hp to cas it is good since it has 12). Also this spell should be available to kobold priestess as well but maybe with a higher chance? (100% since the priestess magic is stronger)
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Re: Dragonrend

Post by makazuwr32 » Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:18 pm

No.
It will die only on success, just like mummy - it dies only on success.
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Re: Dragonrend

Post by Skelegonsans » Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:26 pm

Ohh cool, it's worth it then.

Still think priestess chance should be 100% tho if she also will have the spell, since it's a stronger magic and she costs more.
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Re: Dragonrend

Post by General Brave » Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:14 pm

I will not be willing to sacrifice her to take down one dragon.
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Re: Dragonrend

Post by makazuwr32 » Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:42 pm

I don't like idea giving this spell to priestess.
She is already pretty good caster.
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