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Lizard Blademan

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 8:02 pm
by MightyGuy
A basic unit (like swordman)
Cost:2
Hp:17
Attack:7
Armor:0
Pierce Armor:1
Range:1
Speed:3
Sight:4
Spell Resistance:0%
Buildable at: tcs, swamp barracks
Has bonus against Structures 250%

Description:
The Main basic unit and Offensive and Slightly Defensive.

This unit is the basic. useful unit for destroying enemy structures.

Re: Lizard Blademan

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 8:36 pm
by MightyGuy
Lizard Blademan Image.

Blademan is the main basic unit of scaledfolks.

Re: Lizard Blademan

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 8:37 pm
by Midonik
Maceman going to be no-basic unit?

Re: Lizard Blademan

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 8:55 pm
by MightyGuy
maceman is a basic unit best fot killing enemy infantry but so weak on building structures like walls.

Re: Lizard Blademan

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 8:55 pm
by MightyGuy
maceman is a basic unit best for killing enemy infantry but so weak on building structures like walls.

Re: Lizard Blademan

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 8:56 pm
by Midonik
Ok.

Re: Lizard Blademan

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 11:32 am
by Skelegonsans
Nice idea. However, the scaledfolks (at least as i see them) are slightly better close fighters than humans, so maybe change stats to:
Hp 19
Atk 8
Arm 2
P.arm 2
Others still the same.

Re: Lizard Blademan

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 3:31 pm
by Alexander82
I think that maces should be better than swords against buildings.
Also maces should partially ignore armor

Re: Lizard Blademan

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 3:50 pm
by Midonik
Alexander82 wrote:I think that maces should be better than swords against buildings.
Also maces should partially ignore armor
Agrre. But if want to make mace we will must change too much.

Re: Lizard Blademan

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 4:04 pm
by Alpha
The Macemans stats should be similar to the one in AOS

Re: Lizard Blademan

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 4:10 pm
by Midonik
He was one shoot mens-at-arms. He need to be weaker.

Re: Lizard Blademan

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:48 pm
by MightyGuy
you got me on that, however, this is basic unit only dont raise armor and pierce it has not wearing armor only sheild and Sharp blaade.

Re: Lizard Blademan

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 3:43 pm
by Skelegonsans
Even being basic id put it with both armors at 1. I see the scaledfolk as high defensive units, but im sure that even having 1 armor and 19 hp it wont do against an orc warrior, so i guess thats ok.

Re: Lizard Blademan

Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:57 pm
by Alexander82
This is in line with the 3 turn bigger lizardmen

Re: Lizard Blademan

Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 7:41 pm
by MightyGuy
perpect image! that image i saw in sletch before scaledfolk not officially here! now i see in pixel version. goodjob! :D ★★★

Re: Lizard Blademan

Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 7:45 pm
by Alpha
Alexanders image is very good!

Re: Lizard Blademan

Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:32 pm
by Skelegonsans
Grate. Now we just need to raise stats.

Re: Lizard Blademan

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:44 am
by DoomCarrot
Is alexander's image for the blademan, or an upgrade? I am confused. Either way, great image!

Re: Lizard Blademan

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:48 am
by Alexander82
In another post we agreed to make kobolds as basic 2 turn land units and make lizardman more costly 3+ turns and bigger/stronger and amphibious.

Re: Lizard Blademan

Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:30 pm
by Skelegonsans
New stats idea:
Cost: 4 (ground/swimming, move cost on water is 2)
Hp 28
Atk 14
Arm/p.arm 3/2
Speed 4
Sight 5
Description: A powerful lizardman fighter, with hard scales and the ability to swim.
(200% bonus agains buildings, 2200% bonus against mega buildings.)

Agreed?

Re: Lizard Blademan

Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:23 pm
by MightyGuy
wait, too OP. atk 15 & bonus to mega buildin 2200% is to OP = easy to destroy buildings :o

this is a basic unit only. sorry :)

Re: Lizard Blademan

Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:31 pm
by Skelegonsans
No, the kobolds are basic units. And btw, 2200% bonus will result in about 300-350 atk against megas. Castle has 1500+ hp soo... i guess its good? :mrgreen:

Re: Lizard Blademan

Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:33 pm
by Skelegonsans
I think this units stats should be a bit like a knight. Just reduced hp and speed a little and increased atk and arm/p.arm a bit. And of course, it can swim.

Re: Lizard Blademan

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:42 am
by MightyGuy
sorry but its still bit OP . maybe 2000%?

Re: Lizard Blademan

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:46 pm
by Skelegonsans
Ok, not MUCH difference anyway.

Re: Lizard Blademan

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:49 pm
by Skelegonsans
I have a little doubt about something... should the lizardmen be an upgrade of kobolds, or be gem upgrade units, or basic units? Imo, they should be gem upgrade units. Its just that most unit topics dont say if its basic/upgrade...

Re: Lizard Blademan

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 8:49 pm
by Alexander82
i think they sholdn't definitely be an upgrade for kobolds (they are different races) and they shouldn't al be gem units

Re: Lizard Blademan

Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:19 am
by Skelegonsans
Ok, but is this one gem unit

Re: Lizard Blademan

Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:35 am
by MightyGuy
i agree with skelegonsans, there's kobolds now that has similar to lizards but it's weaker :)

Re: Lizard Blademan

Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:55 am
by Alexander82
kobolds are weaker and cheaper land units

lizards are stronger (almost strong as orcs) and amphibious

They are basically more versatile and strong, but also more costly

If you are on a land map you might prefer to swarmo kobolds, while in maps full of water tiles you will surely prefer going with lizardmen

for lizardman stats i suggest doing that: take the basic (non upgraded) orc unit we might refer too (for example a orc swordman), take his stats, remove 1/2 attack and add +1 armor and pierce, add +1 to cost and add waterwalking

here your lizard unit stats are ready.

This isn't obviously a fixed rule but i think we might go for it as a common direction (we also will add techs to give bonus to lizards instead of the unit upgrades that orcs have)

Needless to say, if you want a stronger unit you can go for it, but just make sure you raise the cost enough.