Gnomish inventors - subrace for dwarves

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Gnomish inventors - subrace for dwarves

Post by makazuwr32 » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:26 am

Gnomes are technologically more crazy and advanced than dwarves but before war they lived separately. In war they are mobilized as well now.

What they will have:
1. Golems (mechanical ones).
2. Air units; both zeppelins are moved here from main body of dwarven race.
3. Siege (superior to dwarven one).
4. Naval (superior to dwarven one).
5. Some land-moving fortified self defending moving fortress.
6. Support casters who can heal mechanical units, support your buildings and curse enemy ones.

Procs (+):
Mechanical units all are unaffected by many enemy spells;
Air units & air transport;
Superior siege units (even better in terms of damage than trebushet with higher speed and health but also with lower range);
Unique casters who can heal mechanical units and buildings, support them or instead debuff enemy buildings;

Cons (--):
All units are costly (4+ turns cost all);
Needs to be researched first;
Need separate buildings;
All units are producable only in factories/mega buildings;
All units are unaffected at all by dwarven blacksmith upgrades and they have their own line of upgrades (alas some of units are affected by gunpowder upgrades);
Mechanical units are unaffected by runes and support spells as well;
Many mechanical units are vurable to siege killers;
Some of their land units can't be transported via their zeppelin carrier.
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Re: Gnomish inventors - subrace for dwarves

Post by makazuwr32 » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:28 am

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Re: Gnomish inventors - subrace for dwarves

Post by makazuwr32 » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:30 am

About units themselves i need to get approvement by @Alexander82 before i will post/repost them here.
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Re: Gnomish inventors - subrace for dwarves

Post by Tankhead » Mon Oct 15, 2018 1:09 am

@makazuwr32
@Savra
Gnome Race Flag.png
What you think?
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Re: Gnomish inventors - subrace for dwarves

Post by Tankhead » Mon Oct 15, 2018 1:43 am

Updated
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Re: Gnomish inventors - subrace for dwarves

Post by Savra » Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:09 am

Looks nice.

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Re: Gnomish inventors - subrace for dwarves

Post by makazuwr32 » Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:13 am

Not bad. Can be used as research image.

But still needs polishing.
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Re: Gnomish inventors - subrace for dwarves

Post by Tankhead » Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:18 am

Hmmm I was thinking flag/Banner
I don't think Alex said We had to use shields as a race flag
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Re: Gnomish inventors - subrace for dwarves

Post by Tankhead » Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:19 am

@Savra can you do the polishing?
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Re: Gnomish inventors - subrace for dwarves

Post by Tankhead » Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:21 am

Can this be the basic gnome?
Also Note I need to change title name

And yes it needs polishing
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Re: Gnomish inventors - subrace for dwarves

Post by Savra » Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:25 am

Needs longer hat.

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Re: Gnomish inventors - subrace for dwarves

Post by Savra » Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:26 am

Tankhead wrote:
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Hmmm I was thinking flag/Banner
I don't think Alex said We had to use shields as a race flag
I'll attempt it.

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Re: Gnomish inventors - subrace for dwarves

Post by Tankhead » Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:55 am

Basic builder?
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Re: Gnomish inventors - subrace for dwarves

Post by Tankhead » Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:56 am

Not the best but can be edited to look better
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Re: Gnomish inventors - subrace for dwarves

Post by makazuwr32 » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:17 am

Ugh. I don't like look of this "gnome". And also they won't have any "basic fighter" units because otherwise their stats would be worse than goblin pikers (basic one) and without upgrades.

Same is for worker.

And last thing i don't like look of them as garden gnomes with big hats. It will just look weird that garden gnomes (which are at most of size of cat) will fight with orcs.
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Re: Gnomish inventors - subrace for dwarves

Post by Tankhead » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:25 am

Umm no
One of the biggest things for gnomes ARE they're hats, that's how you can tell a gnome off first hand.
And 2 they DO fight and are pretty good at it.

Please don't call them gnomes if your gonna have a different concept that doesn't fit gnomes
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Re: Gnomish inventors - subrace for dwarves

Post by makazuwr32 » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:28 am

Ugh.

That i will close this topic if you all imagine gnome with these stupid hats.
Their golems you think will also have these hats?

Dwarves:
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Gnomes:
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Re: Gnomish inventors - subrace for dwarves

Post by makazuwr32 » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:32 am

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In normal fantasy lores gnomes NEVER have those stupid hats.
They look somewhat between dwarves and humans but with lesser height than dwarves. As you can see on the images i posted above.
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Re: Gnomish inventors - subrace for dwarves

Post by Tankhead » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:34 am

Golems are golems
Gnomes are gnomes

They need that hat unless you wanna see even smaller ppl ( smaller than dwarves ) on the battlefield which would look too weird
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Re: Gnomish inventors - subrace for dwarves

Post by makazuwr32 » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:36 am

I don't want to see normal gnomes as fighters in the first place.
They are inventors, tinkers but not fighters.
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Post by Tankhead » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:39 am

Yea, I found some gnomes where they do just that
( tinkering )
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Re: Gnomish inventors - subrace for dwarves

Post by makazuwr32 » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:42 am

Yea.
They can backpacks with some crazy things but please no those stupid childish hats.
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Re: Gnomish inventors - subrace for dwarves

Post by Tankhead » Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:01 am

I don't really like the idea of them not having them.
Without hats now your looking a super midget People on the battlefield.
The hats atleast it will compensate for their height
Especially the way the art design is made in Aof
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Re: Gnomish inventors - subrace for dwarves

Post by Tankhead » Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:03 am

And the hats represented various of things.
They aren't childish
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Re: Gnomish inventors - subrace for dwarves

Post by Savra » Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:47 pm

Actually I've seen them with simple caps, they were ruffly the size of dwarves but with shorter, or no beards. Dwarves grow beards as children. So let's just stick with simple caps, like the peasant style.

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Re: Gnomish inventors - subrace for dwarves

Post by Tankhead » Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:05 pm

That's kool
I just don't want them to wear nothing at all
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Re: Gnomish inventors - subrace for dwarves

Post by Savra » Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:18 pm

Note the one thing they all have in common. The ears.
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Re: Gnomish inventors - subrace for dwarves

Post by Tankhead » Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:41 pm

Pixel art isn't gonna pick up ears
And are all those fan art?
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Re: Gnomish inventors - subrace for dwarves

Post by Savra » Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:46 pm

I think they are D&D.

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