Big Bertha

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Big Bertha

Post by Savra » Sat Sep 29, 2018 6:44 pm

Big Bertha
Build at kingdom under the mountain.
Cost:8
Hp:30
Atk:25
Rng:9
Aoe:2
Sight:9
Spd:1 can't move in forests
Arm:1
P.arm:6
Res:30%
Bonus to buildings, giants
Same miss chance as trebuchet only you can't lower miss chance through upgrades.
Damage might be lowered, hits units for physical. It can't hit flying as easy.

Basically a big cannon, not a tank or anything.
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Re: Bertha

Post by Gral.Sturnn » Sat Sep 29, 2018 7:11 pm

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Re: Bertha

Post by Savra » Sun Sep 30, 2018 12:08 am

Basically this.
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Re: Bertha

Post by Savra » Sun Sep 30, 2018 12:09 am

Gral.Sturnn wrote:
Sat Sep 29, 2018 7:11 pm
change name to big bertha

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/war ... 0810194709
Updated. This way we can move the mortar to the siege workshop and replace with something more powerful.

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Re: Big Bertha

Post by Tankhead » Sun Sep 30, 2018 3:07 am

Not too sure on that
Mortar is a ranged unit not a siege regardless of weapon
I think this should be in siege workshop with high cost.
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Re: Big Bertha

Post by Savra » Sun Sep 30, 2018 4:21 am

Hmm, still could work as a unit for siege workshop. It's like a ranged unit that shells enemies who sit behind their walls. It works somewhat like a dwarven catapult or dwarven version of goblin cannon fodder. This unit would be more worth setting in kingdom under the mountain since it acts more like a dwarven trebuchet.

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Re: Big Bertha

Post by Savra » Sun Sep 30, 2018 4:53 am

Updated image.
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Re: Big Bertha

Post by Tankhead » Sun Sep 30, 2018 4:59 am

Savra wrote:
Sun Sep 30, 2018 4:21 am
Hmm, still could work as a unit for siege workshop. It's like a ranged unit that shells enemies who sit behind their walls. It works somewhat like a dwarven catapult or dwarven version of goblin cannon fodder. This unit would be more worth setting in kingdom under the mountain since it acts more like a dwarven trebuchet.
Then why not cannon be buildable in both siege workshop and Mountain for dwarves.

I believe the the only reason trebuchet isn't buildable no where else is cause they have yet to put in human workshop like in aos otherwise im sure it would be in workshop also for humans

Moreover I can't see a ranged unit ( not siege ) being in workshop,
Workshop should only produce non living things
Not living units
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Re: Big Bertha

Post by Savra » Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:02 am

Yah, Humans need the rest of their buildings and units accessible now, plus their techs. They're kinda needing them now and it gets annoying having to rely on your tc's for siege units.

Btw if we can't stick morterman in siege workshop, why not shooting range? Makes more sense.

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Re: Big Bertha

Post by Tankhead » Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:05 am

Savra wrote:
Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:02 am
Yah, Humans need the rest of their buildings and units accessible now, plus their techs. They're kinda needing them now and it gets annoying having to rely on your tc's for siege units.

Btw if we can't stick morterman in siege workshop, why not shooting range? Makes more sense.
I agree on this

That's what I was leading to for morterman
He's ranged after all so yes It does make sense
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Re: Big Bertha

Post by Savra » Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:07 am

Yah, btw does stats seem fine?

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Re: Big Bertha

Post by Tankhead » Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:15 am

Savra wrote:
Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:07 am
Yah, btw does stats seem fine?
Lower damage 20 - 15

And why would this unit have bonus to giants?
( If human trebuchet has bonus to giants ignore them question above )
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Re: Big Bertha

Post by Savra » Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:18 am

Actually I thought the mortar had bonus to giants? This is like a heavy one for building destroying purposes. But I don't want stats to be as low as a trebuchets we need it somewhat higher.

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Re: Big Bertha

Post by Tankhead » Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:21 am

Savra wrote:
Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:18 am
Actually I thought the mortar had bonus to giants? This is like a heavy one for building destroying purposes. But I don't want stats to be as low as a trebuchets we need it somewhat higher.
Ill have to check stats on trebuchet unless you post it faster
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Re: Big Bertha

Post by Savra » Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:23 am

Ok. I see it's a race. :lol:

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Re: Big Bertha

Post by Savra » Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:28 am

Alright so:

Trebuchet is 10

Giant Marksmen is 20

Both are trebuchet units only I think marksmen has higher miss chance.

So we could settle for 15-20.

I think marksmen has aoe 1 though and big bertha has aoe 2 so we might go with 15.

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Re: Big Bertha

Post by Savra » Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:42 am

@makazuwr32 what's your thoughts on this and the Organ gun?viewtopic.php?f=118&t=6235

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Re: Big Bertha

Post by Tankhead » Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:49 am

Savra wrote:
Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:28 am
Alright so:

Trebuchet is 10

Giant Marksmen is 20

Both are trebuchet units only I think marksmen has higher miss chance.

So we could settle for 15-20.

I think marksmen has aoe 1 though and big bertha has aoe 2 so we might go with 15.
Sounds great
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Re: Big Bertha

Post by Savra » Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:52 am

Alright 15.

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Re: Big Bertha

Post by makazuwr32 » Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:46 am

I don't like this one as well. For such a famous name such a low damage and pretty low range. Also don't use this name for dwarven units.
Instead i am suggestiong a cannon unit with transformation ability:
1 - cannon ball charged - high damage, high accuracy (5% miss chance only), high bonus to buildings, high range.
2 - grapeshot charged - low damage, high inaccuracy, high aoe (power range 2-3), low range (up to 5 max), bonus against infantries, cavalries.
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Put some numbers, compare to what other races have and so on. Some real info why it must be done.
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Re: Big Bertha

Post by Savra » Sun Sep 30, 2018 2:08 pm

Cluster shell and normal shot?

Updated.

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Re: Big Bertha

Post by makazuwr32 » Sun Sep 30, 2018 3:19 pm

No. Not for this unit.
Also i still don't like name for this unit.

Dwarven cannoneer - that what i meant.
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Re: Big Bertha

Post by Tankhead » Sun Sep 30, 2018 3:45 pm

Name it mini Bertha

They can't make the actual Bertha but they did manage to make prototypes
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Re: Big Bertha

Post by makazuwr32 » Sun Sep 30, 2018 4:24 pm

Nono.
Big Bertha was named after woman and why dwarves will name cannon after human woman?
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Re: Big Bertha

Post by Gral.Sturnn » Sun Sep 30, 2018 4:37 pm

makazuwr32 wrote:
Sun Sep 30, 2018 4:24 pm
Nono.
Big Bertha was named after woman and why dwarves will name cannon after human woman?
It's a joke like name, it doesn't have to be serious, think it like dwarves put colloquial names to their powerful machines as a small humour
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Re: Big Bertha

Post by makazuwr32 » Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:09 pm

I don't like still name and i am against it.

Also i think that normal cannon (my suggestion) will be much better.
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Re: Big Bertha

Post by Savra » Mon Oct 01, 2018 12:04 am

Name stays, state seem much simpler to make for this unit too. It is more worth the cost and besides, it is supposed to be considered the "mother of all cannons" :lol:

I've seen games that have dwarves biggest cannons be called big bertha with similar descriptions, it's not unheard of.

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Re: Big Bertha

Post by Savra » Mon Oct 01, 2018 12:07 am

I'll probably make a new image that is bigger.

@Alexander82 what's your thoughts on these cannons? I tried keeping them simple.

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Re: Big Bertha

Post by Savra » Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:23 am

Probably doesn't look as good but here's a bigger one.
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Re: Big Bertha

Post by Savra » Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:32 am

Changed some things. Mainly shades.
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