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Re: Suggestion: Full update of unit type list. WARNING! EXTREME WALL OF TEXT

Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 8:36 pm
by General Brave
I don't know, I have to go check and see.
If Unit A have a base of 5 damage and has hundred percent bonus against Unit B
If Unit B doesn't have any armor he should receive just five damage.

Re: Suggestion: Full update of unit type list. WARNING! EXTREME WALL OF TEXT

Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 8:44 pm
by makazuwr32
nope. it will get 10 damage.
Because many units in AoS (knights for example) have 50% bonus to infantries this means that they will deal only half of their damage to infantry? No. Knight deals 15 damage to basic swordman. 10 base damage +50%*10=15 damage in total.
Bonus damage named so because it is ADDITION to normal damage of unit. not instead of normal damage.

Or you think that if unit has 1% bonus damage against other than he will do only 1% of his damage to that unit? (like giants of orcs to flying units). no it will deal full damage and additional 1%.

Re: Suggestion: Full update of unit type list. WARNING! EXTREME WALL OF TEXT

Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 8:48 pm
by General Brave
I see now, I'm guessing if you put 0 he won't do anything and if it's negative he's just provided them health.

Re: Suggestion: Full update of unit type list. WARNING! EXTREME WALL OF TEXT

Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:11 pm
by Alexander82
godOfKings wrote:
Sat Aug 04, 2018 8:18 pm
Bonuses should not b standard, it should b decided upon how much base damage the unit has, and how much more damage the unit should give against units it has bonus, and that should b determined by how many atks u want to kill a particular unit, depending on that unit's cost too
Totally agree

Re: Suggestion: Full update of unit type list. WARNING! EXTREME WALL OF TEXT

Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:13 pm
by Alexander82
makazuwr32 wrote:
Sat Aug 04, 2018 8:31 pm
not exactly.
This is addition to their normal damage. for example unit has 10 damage and 100%, 200% and 350% against units a, b, c.
unit a will get 10 base + 10 bonus or 20 total pure damage which will be lowered by armor.
unit b will get 10 base +20 bonus or 30 total damage.
unit c - 45 damage.
I can confirm that it works like that

Re: Suggestion: Full update of unit type list. WARNING! EXTREME WALL OF TEXT

Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:16 pm
by makazuwr32
If you put negative than if this is below 100% it will just reduce damage and if you put higher than it will heal. If you put 0 than unit deals normal damage.
Like olog hais don't have bonuses to any other units or they have 0% bonuses. They do 40 base damage + (40*0%)=40 damage.

In more general the formula of damage is:

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Damage + (Damage*Bonus) – Armor
Where Damage is attack of unit, Bonus is bonus against target and Armor is armor if target.

Re: Suggestion: Full update of unit type list. WARNING! EXTREME WALL OF TEXT

Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:25 pm
by General Brave
I see.

Re: Suggestion: Full update of unit type list. WARNING! EXTREME WALL OF TEXT

Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:27 am
by Tankhead
And I'm here trying to understand everything you guys are talking about ( ill understand evetunally)

Re: Suggestion: Full update of unit type list. WARNING! EXTREME WALL OF TEXT

Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:29 am
by General Brave
You will get there eventually.

Re: Suggestion: Full update of unit type list. WARNING! EXTREME WALL OF TEXT

Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 7:48 am
by godOfKings
Its simple, go to map editor, place two units (preferably one having bonus against other), check their stats and especially damage, bonus and armor, make one unit atk the other, see how much HP is reduced, see if it follows the same formula mak just showed, and u will ascend to the top where pro players reside :lol:
I have almost memorized every single atk and bonus stats of all units in aos and if I don't remember something I just check the stat again, so I know how much damage my units give and plan accordingly

Re: Suggestion: Full update of unit type list. WARNING! EXTREME WALL OF TEXT

Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 7:49 am
by General Brave
Nice to hear if I go up against you.