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Rebalancing topic - worst units - Orc

Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 2:57 pm
by Alexander82
In game there are always stronger and weaker units. Sometimes some units are just counters for others and sometimes they just need some improvement.

This topic is for orc units. Tell us not just the unit but also why you consider it weak and what do you think should change.

Re: Rebalancing topic - worst units - Orc

Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 6:01 pm
by Alpha
Fodder cannon should be improved

Re: Rebalancing topic - worst units - Orc

Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 6:04 pm
by Midonik
Just give chose target

Re: Rebalancing topic - worst units - Orc

Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 10:03 am
by Alexander82
I'm adding at the list the axe thrower:

The axe thrower costs 3 turns (50% more than a basic archer for every race)
It has the same damage of archers
It doesn't have any bonus against flying unit
Its range is terrible
It has less damage and less hp compared to orc infantry units
It has no upgrades
It doesn't work as a counter against any kind of unit (axes might at least serve as counter against wooden)

My suggestions:

Give it a 2nd attack
Give him a strong bonus agains wooden units OR a basic bonus against wooden and a minor bonus against flying (just to make it hit flying for normal damage) OR Bonus against flying units

By making those passages it still won't be on par with a fast archer but it shall have his own niche in the orc race

Re: Rebalancing topic - worst units - Orc

Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 10:09 am
by Midonik
There was idea of give him upagredes

Re: Rebalancing topic - worst units - Orc

Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 10:11 am
by Alexander82
Yes, i've made it, but i feel that the basic unit (not upgraded) should be improved to

Re: Rebalancing topic - worst units - Orc

Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 10:12 am
by Midonik
2nd attack sounds good. I dont think trowing axes can destroy wood.

Re: Rebalancing topic - worst units - Orc

Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 10:13 am
by Midonik
Better than other thinks

Re: Rebalancing topic - worst units - Orc

Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 1:41 pm
by Stratego (dev)
+ dont forget that it is (like swordman) attacks normal armor, and has bonus against buildings. (so its role is not to compete with archers.)

Re: Rebalancing topic - worst units - Orc

Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 1:53 pm
by Alexander82
Yes, i know, but a 2 turns warrior it is way better (even without upgrades) It has bonus against buildings, cost 1 turn less, has more hp, deal more damage.

The only better thing about the orc axe thrower is that has a range, but ranger 3 it's almost melee, you cannot shoot from a safe position like an archer qould do. Once you need to go that near your target it's better to go melee with a proper unit.

Re: Rebalancing topic - worst units - Orc

Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 2:44 pm
by Midonik
What if we give him 2nd attack and 2 cost?

Re: Rebalancing topic - worst units - Orc

Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 4:49 pm
by Alexander82
a 2nd attack and a minimal anti air bonus (just to hit) should work.

If Daniel wants i might also edit the image to add a second axe