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Armored orc warrior upgrades - IMPLEMENTED

Post by Alexander82 » Mon Nov 02, 2015 2:09 pm

Upgrade for the armored warrior
It should have a lot more hp and armor

My stats:
Attack: 12
Hp: 32
Armor: 4
Pierce: 4
Speed 3
Sight 4
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Re: Armored orc warrior to Ironclad Orc Warrior

Post by Alexander82 » Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:48 am

Daniel, what do you think about that?
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Re: Armored orc warrior to Ironclad Orc Warrior

Post by Stratego (dev) » Thu Nov 05, 2015 7:10 pm

Not bad. But keep it later. We shoiluld concentrate on new units like ettin. not their upgrades.

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Re: Armored orc warrior to Ironclad Orc Warrior

Post by Jqwan » Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:44 pm

I love this idea. Orcs need defense vs ranged if they are going to suck at it. Elves currently destroy orcs and humans are capable of doing the same quite easy while undead just stun locks them with curse.

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Re: Armored orc warrior to Ironclad Orc Warrior

Post by Alexander82 » Sat Aug 27, 2016 1:47 pm

I made 2 steps, like the basic orc warrior

stats edit for the basic unit:
Cost: 3
Attack: 12
Hp: 40
Armor: 4
Pierce: 4
Speed: 3
Sight: 4


Upgrade 1 (heavy Armored Orc Warrior)
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Cost: 3
Attack: 15
Hp: 44
Armor: 5
Pierce: 5
Speed: 3
Sight: 4
Upgrade 2 (Ironclad Armored Orc Warrior)
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Cost: 3
Attack: 18
Hp: 48
Armor: 6
Pierce: 6
Speed: 3
Sight: 4
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Re: Armored orc warrior to Ironclad Orc Warrior

Post by Alpha » Sat Aug 27, 2016 2:15 pm

I love this idea since that after you upgrade the basic Orcs they are rendered obsolute.
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Re: Armored orc warrior to Ironclad Orc Warrior

Post by Alexander82 » Sat Aug 27, 2016 2:18 pm

Yes. This is the same thinking i have. We shouldn't treat basic units differently or we'll just end up using always the same low-cost upgraded units.

If i'm facing undeads i'll probably go with basic orc warriors to face their numbers, but if i'm going against elves i will probably have more chance to make my units survive by sending armored orcs, but only if i can upgrade them.
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Re: Armored orc warrior upgrades DISCUSSING

Post by Alexander82 » Sat Aug 26, 2017 11:27 pm

I have edited the stats a bit to balance with the crusher (both cost 3)

The proposal was made a long time ago so this is a bit more current.
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Re: Armored orc warrior upgrades DISCUSSING

Post by LordOfAles » Sun Aug 27, 2017 12:14 am

Yes,this unit needs upgrades,i never use it
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Post by MightyGuy » Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:36 am

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Re: Armored orc warrior upgrades DISCUSSING

Post by Sunrise Samurai » Sun Aug 27, 2017 12:37 pm

I think I like a 3-4-5 progression on the armor, but otherwise, yes, this is very much needed to keep up with the basic orc warriors. Also​, can someone do something to help out zurgo helmsmasher as well, for the same reason?
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Re: Armored orc warrior upgrades DISCUSSING

Post by Alexander82 » Sun Aug 27, 2017 12:47 pm

It is mostly for pierce otherwise the crusher will be far better.

This was meant as anti archers with 3 armor when archers dealt 4/5 damages
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Re: Armored orc warrior upgrades DISCUSSING

Post by Sunrise Samurai » Sun Aug 27, 2017 12:52 pm

Well, a 3-4-5 progression keeps it on par with even elf upgrades, but it might be an idea to have pierce armor 1 higher than normal armor.
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Re: Armored orc warrior upgrades DISCUSSING

Post by Alexander82 » Sun Aug 27, 2017 12:53 pm

No, elf upgrades raise attack by 3 so, starting from the original 3/3 it would be rebalanced ending up with a 6/6
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Re: Armored orc warrior upgrades DISCUSSING

Post by Sunrise Samurai » Sun Aug 27, 2017 1:18 pm

Ahh. So maybe another upgrade is in order.
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Re: Armored orc warrior upgrades DISCUSSING

Post by Alexander82 » Sun Aug 27, 2017 1:58 pm

I wouldn't make a third upgrade. All orcs units are balanced on a 3 level base so i would keep to balance them this way.

The only exceptions are uruk units but they were meant to have 3 level upgrades (same as the elven techs) but since it wasn't possible to make different bonuses we made 3 upgrade levels (with the third being very long. Altogether they are 27 turn worth of upgrades).

Also many units have been revised in those years (for example the elven infantry were much worse and costed 3) so I don't see a problem in revising the armored orc armor in a situation where we have many more armored units nd it is made with a specific purpose.
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Re: Armored orc warrior upgrades - IMPLEMENTED

Post by Alexander82 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:44 am

- IMPLEMENTED
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