Orc warrior to orc elite warrior - IMPLEMENTED

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Orc warrior to orc elite warrior - IMPLEMENTED

Post by Alexander82 » Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:26 pm

Seeing that orcs are meant to have their strenght on melee i think that an improvement for its main infantry is a real must to make them a playable race in some way.

The improvement should have more hp, some armor (at least pierce to give them the chance to reach enemy ranged units) and a higher attack.

Once we decide the name i'll make a image
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Re: Orc warrior to orc elite warrior

Post by Alexander82 » Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:01 pm

What about a two handed swordman?

It should deal far more damage and have some extra armor

I suggest a 8 cost for the improvement
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Re: Orc warrior to orc elite warrior

Post by TheBluePhoenix » Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:17 pm

Thats a huge sword
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Re: Orc warrior to orc elite warrior

Post by Alexander82 » Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:45 pm

he's an orc after all
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Re: Orc warrior to orc elite warrior

Post by Alexander82 » Fri Oct 16, 2015 9:12 pm

daniel do you like it?
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Re: Orc warrior to orc elite warrior

Post by Alexander82 » Fri Oct 16, 2015 9:31 pm

stats
Upgrade cost 8
hp 28
attack 15
armor 1
pierce armor 1
speed 3
sight 4
action 1
spell res 0%
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Re: Orc warrior to orc elite warrior

Post by Stratego (dev) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:30 am

i like it very much, we will need many new unittypes after publish 1-2 per week, and this will be definitely in.

one thing that this looks much different than the current warrior so we have these options
- making the current warrior like this (with smaller sword/armors)
- making this image a little more like that
- OR making a total different unit out of it., eg. Orc marksman or something.

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Re: Orc warrior to orc elite warrior

Post by Alexander82 » Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:57 pm

What if i make a orc that is halfway and make this the 2nd upgrade? like man at arms for aos swordman?
Otherwise we can make this on a elite orc warrior unit of another kind, maybe a orc weapon master or something like that
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Re: Orc warrior to orc elite warrior

Post by Stratego (dev) » Tue Oct 27, 2015 1:28 am

Halfway is fine!

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Re: Orc warrior to orc elite warrior

Post by Alexander82 » Thu Oct 29, 2015 9:36 pm

here 2 one handed versions
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Re: Orc warrior to orc elite warrior

Post by Stratego (dev) » Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:08 pm

nice i start putting it in!

one thing: the sword the position in his hand and the shape needs finalization - imho.

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Re: Orc warrior to orc elite warrior

Post by Stratego (dev) » Thu Oct 29, 2015 11:47 pm

ok, it is up on ser ver in 10 minutes!

what is not ready in this topic:
1. the elive warrior sword and position needs some poish
2. we need 2 images for the ugrading techs (like the heavy wolf rider tech has a club icon)

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Re: Orc warrior to orc elite warrior

Post by Alexander82 » Fri Oct 30, 2015 12:18 am

ok, should i give you stats for the 2nd upgrade?
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Re: Orc warrior to orc elite warrior

Post by Alexander82 » Fri Oct 30, 2015 12:39 am

what about that?
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Re: Orc warrior to orc elite warrior

Post by Alexander82 » Fri Oct 30, 2015 1:38 am

Stats for 2nd upgrade
Upgrade cost 8
hp 32
attack 18
armor 2
pierce armor 2
speed 3
sight 4
action 1
spell res 0%
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    Re: Orc warrior to orc elite warrior

    Post by Stratego (dev) » Fri Oct 30, 2015 6:23 am

    please check ingame, i used the earlier stats for the two handed sworded orc, and i used a "halfway" stats for the elite (betw orcwarrior and masterwarrior)

    orc warrior->elite orc warrior->master orc warrior (as i called two handed)

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    Re: Orc warrior to orc elite warrior

    Post by Alexander82 » Fri Oct 30, 2015 9:58 am

    i see. Those stats were meant for a first upgrade. I wasn't thinking of a 2nd upgrade at first, but being right now a 12 turns upgrade i think that the final stats should be higher
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    Re: Orc warrior to orc elite warrior

    Post by Alexander82 » Mon Nov 02, 2015 2:03 am

    Daniel can you put in game the new stats (you might also increase the turn cost)
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    Re: Orc warrior to orc elite warrior

    Post by Stratego (dev) » Mon Nov 02, 2015 6:20 am

    ok i have changed a bit (yours seems op).
    up on server in 15mins

    also we must not change turncost on a unit upgrade.

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    Re: Orc warrior to orc elite warrior

    Post by Alexander82 » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:05 am

    ok, the wolf rider has a 8 turn cost, so i thought it was ok
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    Re: Orc warrior to orc elite warrior

    Post by Alexander82 » Mon Nov 02, 2015 2:02 pm

    I have downloaded the new version but it remained the same.

    Btw my proposal is

    Base->Elite->Master

    Hp: 24->28->32
    Attack: 11->15->18
    Armor: 0->1->2
    Pierce: 0->1->2

    I think that shouldn't be op, considering that orcs should be the best melee race.
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    Re: Orc warrior to orc elite warrior

    Post by Stratego (dev) » Mon Nov 02, 2015 9:42 pm

    stats: lets start with the current and if seems too low stat we will change.

    also i try using these upgrade images:
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    Re: Orc warrior to orc elite warrior

    Post by Alexander82 » Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:07 pm

    Right now the difference is too low. It is really too much for waiting 12 turn. Also consider that orcs havent smithing improvements, so thi isn't really op at all.

    About images they seems nice
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    Re: Orc warrior to orc elite warrior

    Post by Stratego (dev) » Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:29 pm

    for the sword i thougt some angle would be good - i tried but failed to make a nice one...
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    Re: Orc warrior to orc elite warrior

    Post by Alexander82 » Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:32 pm

    Sorry i didn't understand. How do you want it edited?
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    Re: Orc warrior to orc elite warrior

    Post by Stratego (dev) » Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:36 pm

    u see, a little angle to the sword, not to be total vertical in his hand.

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    Re: Orc warrior to orc elite warrior

    Post by Alexander82 » Tue Nov 03, 2015 12:16 am

    like that?
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    Re: Orc warrior to orc elite warrior

    Post by Stratego (dev) » Tue Nov 03, 2015 6:46 am

    cool!
    i suggest
    - either a straight weapon
    - or the "orkish one" having a little "noch" on the end to the side.

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    Re: Orc warrior to orc elite warrior

    Post by Alexander82 » Tue Nov 03, 2015 12:08 pm

    like lotr orchish blades?
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    Re: Orc warrior to orc elite warrior

    Post by Stratego (dev) » Tue Nov 03, 2015 4:54 pm

    sort of.

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