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Re: healer to druid upgrade

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 11:18 am
by Stratego (dev)
i dont understand. base unit: priest? you mean healer?
and these images are too tall i think, we need a same sized as healer in height of character

Re: healer to druid upgrade

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 12:08 pm
by Alexander82
Yes, i'm proposing to rename the healer in priest (that would make more sense if the upgrade is called bishop)
If we stick with the name "healer" we should choose a name that is more fit, like Master Healer, Expert Healer, and so on

the new images are these 2 (the upgrade is something like 2 pixel higher cause of the hood)

Re: healer to druid upgrade

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 2:04 pm
by TheBluePhoenix
Change the face of the base unit. the purple one was better

Re: healer to druid upgrade

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 2:11 pm
by TheBluePhoenix
What about the abilities?? I see no bpdy talking or confirming them. I am posting them again (for the hundredth time) :roll:

Re: healer to druid upgrade

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 2:14 pm
by TheBluePhoenix
TheBluePhoenix wrote:And please tell me which upgrade u selected 1st or 2 nd. I have already suggested healing in nearby tiles in 2 different ways. Choose from them
1. 30% conversion for 4 tiles(+ 30% persuasion)
2. 50% conversion decreasing to 10% for 5 tiles(+15% persuasion)
Heal rate is same in both cases 12

Re: healer to druid upgrade

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 2:15 pm
by TheBluePhoenix
TheBluePhoenix wrote:
TheBluePhoenix wrote:It should be written as 50-0% (indicating the complete range) and 10% besides it separated by comma ( indicating the % decrease with each block)

I strongly suggest you to implement the abilities i described ( also note that in this case persuasion has only 15% increase to not make it op )

as the healer at present is just to weak

or the second option is that the priest can convert any unit within 4 unit range with 30% possibility (+30% after pursuasion.)

This upgrade (priest) will have a good chance to heal and convert a unit making it possible to make a comeback
Daniel which type af upgrade do you prefer
I will make my stats accordingly. Confirm its abilities

Re: healer to druid upgrade

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 2:16 pm
by TheBluePhoenix
TheBluePhoenix wrote:Okay so its confirmed that heal master or master healer will have the multiple conversion at a single time ability with decreasing % . and will be able to heal at 12 rate all units just around it. Dev please confirm. Rest stats remain same. Coolguy have any suggestions??

Re: healer to druid upgrade

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 2:18 pm
by TheBluePhoenix
This shows that i have asking dev for confirmations r
Epeatedly and dev is busy ignoring me :D 8-) 8-)

Re: healer to druid upgrade

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 2:24 pm
by Alexander82
I made a darker color for the healer

Like a priest tunic

Re: healer to druid upgrade

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 2:25 pm
by Alexander82
For the abilities i think that improved stats, +1 speed, and area of effect for both healing and conversion would be great

Re: healer to druid upgrade

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 4:19 pm
by TheBluePhoenix
I dont like the name priest for a clurgyman(maybe i am wrong) Healer is better

Re: healer to druid upgrade

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 4:21 pm
by TheBluePhoenix
Dev please finalise and implement

Re: healer to druid upgrade

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:01 pm
by Stratego (dev)
BluePhoenix:
- sorry if u feel i am ignoring them, simply (as u mentioned) i had limited time to activate a unit.
- conversion changing with distance: i dont want to complicate the game so i try staying in the simpler way - but i will open a new thread copying your ideas there and if the monthly voting brings that there are many people 7-10 likes the changing probabalility of conversion than i will reconsider it - currently i feel that everyone (except u) wants more the healer upgrade than the distance-changing feature.
- naming: it is a little problemout to change the name of an existing unit (because we have many translations in languages i dont speak :)) so i will either keep priest, or if u can suggest other that is not only a prefixed version of healer (that i try to avoid) eg. master/great and so on - than i will consider them.
- image: thanks for all the images you do! ut here i will suggest one since i think you are mixing the hard and low contouring on same sprite (on cannon tower too) that looks not so coherent (imho)

and again please dont think i am ignoring you
- just i have limited time
- and i want to keep the game simple (and if i do not understand something at first glance - how many time i have - than that is probably more complex than it should be :) - just kidding, but can be true for some cases in this forum)

Re: healer to druid upgrade

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:19 pm
by Stratego (dev)
here are my image suggestions based on healer - only coloring and the newly suggested artifacts.
and as a reference the current healer.

Re: healer to druid upgrade

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:23 pm
by TheBluePhoenix
I was just jocking dev. u said u didnt have time for reading all posts so i copied them for yr ease. Also i suggest then that let the conversion probability for both healer and preacher(short and sweet) be 30 % . The difference being that healer converts only 1 unit per turn while the preacher converts all together. The heal rate for preacher be 10 and it heals all units around it while the healer heals any 1 unit within 2 tiles. The spell range shoud be +1 for upgrade

Re: healer to druid upgrade

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:24 pm
by Stratego (dev)
(images updated)

Re: healer to druid upgrade

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:25 pm
by TheBluePhoenix
I suggest that the new healer be the purple one that alexander named monk

Re: healer to druid upgrade

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:28 pm
by Stratego (dev)
TheBluePhoenix wrote:I was just jocking dev. u said u didnt have time for reading all posts so i copied them for yr ease. Also i suggest then that let the conversion probability for both healer and preacher(short and sweet) be 30 % . The difference being that healer converts only 1 unit per turn while the preacher converts all together. The heal rate for preacher be 10 and it heals all units around it while the healer heals any 1 unit within 2 tiles. The spell range shoud be +1 for upgrade

nice ideas but again a new mechanism in the game can make it more complex, however you can open two new topics for them at the eg. "Unit balancing" sections (since u want to change their default behaviours):
1. healers: distance dependent conversion
2. healers: single or multiple unit conversion at a time

however the latter sound absolute op since i can dop a "preacher" into the middle of enemy and the whole army is mine...

Re: healer to druid upgrade

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:30 pm
by TheBluePhoenix
I knew u would say that so i think persuasion should have no effect on the upgrade

Re: healer to druid upgrade

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:37 pm
by Alexander82
Then just inctease the range and the % of conversion and make it heale aoe

Re: healer to druid upgrade

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:39 pm
by Stratego (dev)
TheBluePhoenix wrote:I knew u would say that so i think persuasion should have no effect on the upgrade
why? a unit upgrade yhould be very similar to its ancestor, same mechanisms, same effects, only bigger and better, or some new effects, we should not remove enything that the ancestor knew. - inmo.

so i think persuasion should affect both, and the new unit should only have extras related to its ancestor.

Alex: the unit is in the dev version check it i have changed properties. (not the range, for reason)

Re: healer to druid upgrade

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:49 pm
by TheBluePhoenix
Ok then maybe not all units but 3 units. Sounds ok??

Re: healer to druid upgrade

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:52 pm
by TheBluePhoenix
And if you think even this is op then increase unit turn cost (4)and upgrade tech turn cost (7)

Re: healer to druid upgrade

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 8:23 pm
by Alexander82
The game crashes when i try to make that upgrade

Re: healer to druid upgrade

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 9:38 pm
by Stratego (dev)
oh, please send me crash report - thanks.

Re: healer to druid upgrade - IMPLEMENTED

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 10:09 pm
by Stratego (dev)
thanks! fix is up on server in 10 minutes.

Re: healer to druid upgrade - IMPLEMENTED

Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 3:34 pm
by Darkknight
So is the new unit a upgrade of a healer or is it a completly new unit?

Re: healer to druid upgrade - IMPLEMENTED

Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 5:40 pm
by TheBluePhoenix
Upgrade. Dev when wilp it be on playstore update? Any problems faced regarding it?

Re: healer to druid upgrade - IMPLEMENTED

Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 11:03 pm
by Alexander82
I've tested it... I believe it's just slightly better than a normal healer... to really become more effective it should gain some speed

Re: healer to druid upgrade - IMPLEMENTED

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 7:26 am
by TheBluePhoenix
But i made it clear it should heal all units around it and convert 3 units in range . Speed cannot be increased as then the missinary becomes useless. I suggest you make an image for its upgrade also while i prepare some stats